I just don't trust traditional western astrology. The according to scientists the positions of Earth and everything around has changed after so many years and the spring equinox has now moved to the middle of April. It's just my observation from the people around that made me quite sure of it. The Aries are nice, the Taureans are quick to anger, the Pisceans tend to pick fights. I dunno XD.

It's got nothing to do with me being grumpy with anything. : ) But it is quite regrettable because I don't really care much about that anymore. XD.

Taureans are slow to anger but when they do finally get round to being angry boy do they go.  I am not very fond of Aries people in general, i find them inconsistant and emotionally labile.  I also think that pisceans lovely and interesting.

Think what i am trying to say that we all find people different in relation to ourselves.

Suzi

I am inconsistant and emotionally labile. I'm not sure about the others though. Don't get me wrong, this is extremely true, and I'm not offended XD.

I do have to question why my post is suddenly in the western astrology section because I pretty much remember posting this in the nickname mystery section. And this was how I came up with my username XD...

It's about my nickname!!! It's not meant for debate!!! XD

But if you folks wanna continue, well, go on. : ) go google and search for "13th sign ophiuchus" and you'll probably see where I am... not intended to go? Go?... o__O

See, I went off topic. :P

Betrayed, the problem with western astrology is, it is still sticking to the Tropical Zodiac, which is a fixed position of the planets, which was last noted when the Greeks were thriving, u can understand how many hundreds of years ago that was. Maybe even three thousand odds years ago.

Now where as Vedic astrology isn't 100% perfect, it is still one of the best available, it uses Sidereal Zodiac, which is useful for finding the more perfect results in astrology.

Now I am no expert, but have been studying this subject for quite some time & have picked up a few points which I have expressed here. Anyone has a more clearer view, would love to hear from them.

Thank you Betrayed for giving me an opportunity to say this & hopefully further discuss with more experienced members here.

[quote="Vishwas"]Betrayed, the problem with western astrology is, it is still sticking to the Tropical Zodiac, which is a fixed position of the planets, which was last noted when the Greeks were thriving, u can understand how many hundreds of years ago that was. Maybe even three thousand odds years ago.

Now where as Vedic astrology isn't 100% perfect, it is still one of the best available, it uses Sidereal Zodiac, which is useful for finding the more perfect results in astrology.

Now I am no expert, but have been studying this subject for quite some time & have picked up a few points which I have expressed here. Anyone has a more clearer view, would love to hear from them.

Thank you Betrayed for giving me an opportunity to say this & hopefully further discuss with more experienced members here.[/quote]


Dear Vishwas,

Many siderealists may agree with what you wrote but I would not dismiss the entire tradition of Western Tropical Astrology that readily or in haste. Even on the matter of the two zodiacs.

It would appear to many that there can only be one zodiac (right?) but I think the red-herring is this reference to zodiac, the animal shapes (zoo--zoon-zodiac) that even the most imaginative amongst us have to really work hard at seeing the shapes (Scorpio the mysterious and hidden sign as they lable it, curiously is one of the most obvious and unmistakable when one views the sky )

I think there are two references: The celestial one has been used by siderealists (dependant on stars and star patterns) including zodiac and hence the reference to the what you see is what you get or the visible zodiac.

Western tropicalists have on the other hand what I called the earth-based palpable zodiac! The season-based zodiac which assigns the beginning point to the first day of spring. This 'zodiac' or dodeca division of the year is not imaginary and actually closer to human experience. It can be felt as the seasons change, year after year.

Perhaps the sense of touch (tropical) and the sense of sight (sidereal) should stop fighting and negating each other but explore as the different facets of human experience which can only enrichen our understanding and growth.

The seasons are created due to the tilt of the earth which brings it closer to sun at times during the year and away from it giving us the seasons. These reverse depending on whether you are in the northern hemisphere or in the southern hemisphere. In a sense, this PALPABLE zodiac or system of dividing the year is local and not general or global, which the other one is.

The tilt of the earth has another property, it wobbles very slowly like a top and thus the pole star changes over the centuries. But each 25000 (approx), the polar cycle repeats and the same reference star becomes the polar star every 25000 or so years. That slow wobble introduces the difference between the visible and the palpable/touchable zodiac which is known as ayanamsha or precession of equinoxes or the movement of the Synetic Vernal Point.

If I had a choice, I would not give up either sensation: Vision or Touch!

Humbly submitted to this august body of the wise ...

Love, Light and Levity ...