Hi,

I believe that by looking at any chart, and / or any single factor in a chart separately, you will find that any component is carrying the possibility to make bad decisions and become a criminal if that is a path of life the individual has chosen. It's a question of levels. It's not like a specific factor is indicating that the individual is misusing that particular energy. That's his / her own choice.

Let's say I showed you my own radix chart, and told you something in the lines of: "Freya is the worst and most cold-blooded serial killer there is!", I'm sure you'd agree!

After all, I'm an Aquarian! As if that wasn't enough, Mercury & Saturn are also in Aquarius. Which adds detachment to my personality. So let's look at the Moon's placement in the chart: I do not find much comfort in knowing I'll find the Moon in Scorpio, conjunct Neptune - which are also focal planets in a T-cross involving The Sun & Saturn conjuntion, opposition retrograde Mars in Leo, square my Moon & Neptun conjunction in Scorpio.

So if I showed you my chart, I'm sure you'd agree that this chart is showing a cold-blooded murderer.....

On the other hand; I'm sure it's possible to find some factor(s) in a chart that points to how various energies may be misused. Which could be anything.

As Freya wisely said, in every chart you can find something that indicates violent, criminal person. But it is our choice and free will how we react on that "provocations".
Whenever we choose not to be violent, we grow and become wiser and better person.

Hi again,

Lois M. Rodden presented numerous charts in her "Profiles of Crime".  It's a book that contains 735 data of criminals and 435 cases with the planet positions listed, with over 2,000 timed events. It contains serial killers, mass murderers, organized crime lords and terrorists, rapits and theirs victims, homicide vicitims, etc. Among these, we'll find Andreas Berndt Baader, (I'm not sure if you know who he was, because he was a terrorist operating in Europe in the 70'ies). Also: Jeffrey Dahmer, Diane Dawns, Hans Frank, (Nazi-Germany), Gary Mark Gilmore, (The first individual to be executed after a 10 years moratorium on executions in the U.S), Reinhard Heydrich, (Heinrich Himmler's assistant), Anton LaVey (satanist), Charles Manson, Joseph Mengele (War criminal), Lee Harvey Oswald, Olof Palme, (The Swedish Prime Minister who was shot down and killed on his way from a movie theater). Ramirez Ricardo, (Serial Killer), Charles Starkweather, (Serial Killer), Charles Joseph Whitman, (Mass Murderer),  - there is way too many to list here.

What struck me while going through these charts, was that there was nothing specific that would point to a criminal path of life. BUT - as with any other chart, I did find energies that COULD, if the individual chose to use a specific energy in a way that never serve him / her, And I can also see which energies that "floats" through an individial and went wrong because of bad choices.

The very same energies could have been used to something very, very useful. Both for the individual itself, and for society as a whole.

Also: I've studied Ted Bundy's chart in some detail, and what I saw was an individual who had all the choices available, (at least many), but chose to use them to create confusion, grief and havoc everywhere he went.

With Ted Bundy, it did not have to turn out this way. He had so much - but his CHOICE took him to places we don't even want to think about.

Believe it or not - he had it all. His choice was to create destruction. Which is a possibility we all have. If I had his chart in my hand and wanted to interpret it, there is no way I could have recognize him as the person he became.

I will recommend this book by Lois M. Rodden to everyone who might be interested in Astrology and crime. As Dijana1970 points out, it's all a question of choices.

Hope I managed to explain in a way that makes some sense. Interesting discussion by the way

Have an excellent day, everyone!

It would help to narrow the definition of criminal as there are many different types, not to mention one-timers vs. serial offenders...  Would be an interesting study with nonviolent crimes (i.e., traffic offenses).  Would we find that Fire signs may receive more speeding tickets than other elements/signs?  Would we see a preponderance of Fixed Sun/Asc folks stubbornly ignoring laws they disagree with (HOV)?  You'd need to track many variables, but it could be an interesting study...

[quote="Freya"]Hi again,

Lois M. Rodden presented numerous charts in her "Profiles of Crime".  It's a book that contains 735 data of criminals and 435 cases with the planet positions listed, with over 2,000 timed events. It contains serial killers, mass murderers, organized crime lords and terrorists, rapits and theirs victims, homicide vicitims, etc. Among these, we'll find Andreas Berndt Baader, (I'm not sure if you know who he was, because he was a terrorist operating in Europe in the 70'ies). Also: Jeffrey Dahmer, Diane Dawns, Hans Frank, (Nazi-Germany), Gary Mark Gilmore, (The first individual to be executed after a 10 years moratorium on executions in the U.S), Reinhard Heydrich, (Heinrich Himmler's assistant), Anton LaVey (satanist), Charles Manson, Joseph Mengele (War criminal), Lee Harvey Oswald, Olof Palme, (The Swedish Prime Minister who was shot down and killed on his way from a movie theater). Ramirez Ricardo, (Serial Killer), Charles Starkweather, (Serial Killer), Charles Joseph Whitman, (Mass Murderer),  - there is way too many to list here.

What struck me while going through these charts, was that there was nothing specific that would point to a criminal path of life. BUT - as with any other chart, I did find energies that COULD, if the individual chose to use a specific energy in a way that never serve him / her, And I can also see which energies that "floats" through an individial and went wrong because of bad choices.

The very same energies could have been used to something very, very useful. Both for the individual itself, and for society as a whole.

Also: I've studied Ted Bundy's chart in some detail, and what I saw was an individual who had all the choices available, (at least many), but chose to use them to create confusion, grief and havoc everywhere he went.

With Ted Bundy, it did not have to turn out this way. He had so much - but his CHOICE took him to places we don't even want to think about.

Believe it or not - he had it all. His choice was to create destruction. Which is a possibility we all have. If I had his chart in my hand and wanted to interpret it, there is no way I could have recognize him as the person he became.

I will recommend this book by Lois M. Rodden to everyone who might be interested in Astrology and crime. As Dijana1970 points out, it's all a question of choices.

Hope I managed to explain in a way that makes some sense. Interesting discussion by the way

Have an excellent day, everyone![/quote]

You may have something interesting there! Long ago I discussed two charts, which were very similar (being born not that far apart). One belonged to the serial killer John Wayne Gacy (Chicago) and a brilliant surgeon (India). Same ascendants but such different utilization of mars!

You are on the right track -- keep looking ...

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