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Krishnakumar M R


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Dear Guruji,

I would like to share few text about SANNYASA from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Sanyasi" redirects here. For the motion picture, see Sanyasi (1975 film)
Sannyasa, (Devanagari: संन्यास) sannyāsa is the order of life of the renouncer within Hindu scheme of āśramas, or life stages. It is considered the topmost and final stage of the varna and ashram systems and is traditionally taken by men at or beyond the age of fifty years old or by young monks who wish to dedicate their entire life towards spiritual pursuits. In this phase of life, the person develops vairāgya, or a state of dispassion and detachment from material life. He renounces all worldly thoughts and desires, and spends the rest of his life in spiritual contemplation. One within the sannyasa order is known as a sannyasi.

Within the Bhagavad Gita, sannyasa is described by Krishna as follows:

"The giving up of activities that are based on material desire is what great learned men call the renounced order of life [sannyasa]. And giving up the results of all activities is what the wise call renunciation [tyaga]." (18.2)[4]


(The Sanskrit & Indic scholar) Barbara Stoler Miller's BG 18.2 translation reads thusly:

"Giving up actions based on desire, the poets know as renunciation; relinquishing all fruit of action, learned men call relinquishment.

"Disciplined action and relinquishment are spiritually more effective than renunciation."[5]


Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's translation of verse 3, Chapter 5 of the Bhagavad-Gita[6], says:

"Know him to be ever a man of renunciation who neither hates nor desires; free from the pairs of opposites, he is easily released from bondage, O mighty-armed."


In light of the above, one can can understand that Sanyasi is a person who extinguish the desire of material life...

I am confussed with the above mentioned text and with your explanation regarding sanayas...  

RishiRahul=Since we are talking about a technical matter, succeeding in material life or achieving goals would not be seen from this small technicals.[/b]

But in your previous message that you agreed to give some concentration on my chart...

RishiRahul= Now two issues are being mixed up. Though i took a look at your chart my answer is keeping strictly to technicals.

Please let me know whether the term technical do include small techincals...

Also please correct me if I am wrong...

Krishna

RishiRahul wrote:

Reproducing your reply.... "A sanyasi can be one even while remaining in material life.... A sanyasi in mind/thought."  
RishiRahul= This generally does not happen to a native during the material ages. This combination happens later in life properly.
But still, one can remain in material life, be successful in material life and be a 'sanyasi' in mind/thinking. His lifestyle as seen by others may not be of a sanyasi.

I think, this will surely makes the others feel sad.... Because, all parents gets happy only if their son/daugher is happy in material life with no thought about sanyas....

If they are in material life, Sanyasi in mind / thought, they will not think about the growth or wealth of their family...
RishiRahul= This has got nothing to do with the growth of the family, if a sanyasi in mind remains in material life.

If a person lives like a sanyas even in their mind / thought, its quiet natural that, he/she will surely think that, God will take care of their family... which makes their family in difficult situations (sometimes)...
RishiRahul=Replied above.

As far as my knowledge concern, sanyasi is a person who is not having any wish other than to attain the parama padha or moksha.... sanyasi is a person who does not have interest in material things (including married life... if it happens, they will leave their spouse.... because we all know family is bhandam only.... and it will not lead us close to God...) Please correct me if I am wrong....
RishiRahul=Do you mean maintaining a family will not lead to God?!
Why would/nature lead us towards such activities and also equip us for these activities, if it wouldnt lead to God?
Will neglecting Karma ever lead to God>

RishiRahul=Since we are talking about a technical matter, succeeding in material life or achieving goals would not be seen from this small technicals.[/b]

But in your previous message that you agreed to give some concentration on my chart...

RishiRahul= Now two issues are being mixed up. Though i took a look at your chart my answer is keeping strictly to technicals.

[/b]
RishiRahul
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Krishnakumar M R wrote:
Dear Guruji,

I would like to share few text about SANNYASA from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Sanyasi" redirects here. For the motion picture, see Sanyasi (1975 film)
Sannyasa, (Devanagari: संन्यास) sannyāsa is the order of life of the renouncer within Hindu scheme of āśramas, or life stages. It is considered the topmost and final stage of the varna and ashram systems and is traditionally taken by men at or beyond the age of fifty years old or by young monks who wish to dedicate their entire life towards spiritual pursuits. In this phase of life, the person develops vairāgya, or a state of dispassion and detachment from material life. He renounces all worldly thoughts and desires, and spends the rest of his life in spiritual contemplation. One within the sannyasa order is known as a sannyasi.
RishiRahul= Is it mentioned anywhere that the dispassion is achieved at a young age? It is mostly a type of thinking achieved while enjoying material life, generally speaking, and due to the person's mentality etc. I know of so many people who have achieved this state of mind between ages 50 to 60.
This development of bairagya can occcur during material success, as the person may get disillusioned by the usual mundane life.  Is there any abnormality here?

Within the Bhagavad Gita, sannyasa is described by Krishna as follows:

"The giving up of activities that are based on material desire is what great learned men call the renounced order of life [sannyasa]. And giving up the results of all activities is what the wise call renunciation [tyaga]." (18.2)[4]

RishiRahul=This is a rigid meaning of sanyas. What about when the 'tyaga' comes in a native's mind and he does not exactly renounce living in material life, for the needs of his family, is not greedy for it like the usual others, but thinks spiritual and adopts a spiritual code in life where he achieves satisfaction.


(The Sanskrit & Indic scholar) Barbara Stoler Miller's BG 18.2 translation reads thusly:

"Giving up actions based on desire, the poets know as renunciation; relinquishing all fruit of action, learned men call relinquishment.

"Disciplined action and relinquishment are spiritually more effective than renunciation."[5]

RishiRahul=Isn't this a rich spirituality achieved. This is a very practical explanation, I would say.

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's translation of verse 3, Chapter 5 of the Bhagavad-Gita[6], says:

"Know him to be ever a man of renunciation who neither hates nor desires; free from the pairs of opposites, he is easily released from bondage, O mighty-armed."

RishiRahul=Isn't this a very elated state of mind?

In light of the above, one can can understand that Sanyasi is a person who extinguish the desire of material life...

I am confussed with the above mentioned text and with your explanation regarding sanayas...  

RishiRahul=Since we are talking about a technical matter, succeeding in material life or achieving goals would not be seen from this small technicals.[/b]

But in your previous message that you agreed to give some concentration on my chart...

RishiRahul= Now two issues are being mixed up. Though i took a look at your chart my answer is keeping strictly to technicals.

Please let me know whether the term technical do include small techincals...
RishiRahul=A birth chart can be divided into many, many, technicals (that is why I called it small technicals).

Also please correct me if I am wrong...

Krishna


RishiRahul

P.S.: A person can have a sanyas yoga, along with other material yogas, so dont take it very personally.
Also nowhere did I mention that you have a proper sanyas yoga. What I meant is that this sort of combination may lead to that sort of thinking.



RishiRahul wrote:

Reproducing your reply.... "A sanyasi can be one even while remaining in material life.... A sanyasi in mind/thought."  
RishiRahul= This generally does not happen to a native during the material ages. This combination happens later in life properly.
But still, one can remain in material life, be successful in material life and be a 'sanyasi' in mind/thinking. His lifestyle as seen by others may not be of a sanyasi.

I think, this will surely makes the others feel sad.... Because, all parents gets happy only if their son/daugher is happy in material life with no thought about sanyas....

If they are in material life, Sanyasi in mind / thought, they will not think about the growth or wealth of their family...
RishiRahul= This has got nothing to do with the growth of the family, if a sanyasi in mind remains in material life.

If a person lives like a sanyas even in their mind / thought, its quiet natural that, he/she will surely think that, God will take care of their family... which makes their family in difficult situations (sometimes)...
RishiRahul=Replied above.

As far as my knowledge concern, sanyasi is a person who is not having any wish other than to attain the parama padha or moksha.... sanyasi is a person who does not have interest in material things (including married life... if it happens, they will leave their spouse.... because we all know family is bhandam only.... and it will not lead us close to God...) Please correct me if I am wrong....
RishiRahul=Do you mean maintaining a family will not lead to God?!
Why would/nature lead us towards such activities and also equip us for these activities, if it wouldnt lead to God?
Will neglecting Karma ever lead to God>

RishiRahul=Since we are talking about a technical matter, succeeding in material life or achieving goals would not be seen from this small technicals.[/b]

But in your previous message that you agreed to give some concentration on my chart...

RishiRahul= Now two issues are being mixed up. Though i took a look at your chart my answer is keeping strictly to technicals.

[/b]



RishiRahul
Thanks rishi ji
prasanna


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Dear brother Krishna and Rishi ji,


              I am fololwing your question and answers. While reading your views about Vairagya , today unexpectedly,  I happened to read the following quote of Sri Sathya Sai  Baba about "Vairagya"

The word 'Vairagya' literally means that which is opposed to Raga (attachment). Vairagya does not mean that you should give up everything and retire in to a forest. Vairagya really means you should stay where you are, in whatever station of life you are in, and understand the subtle nature of things, while giving up worldly desires. It means that by using discrimination you should know what to accept and what to reject. You should strive to recognise the divinity in every object you see and enjoy it. Vairagya is not merely giving up things. It consists in enjoying, without attachment, things which were previously enjoyed with attachment. That is real Vairagya. That is the mark of a true human being.

-BABA

     After reading the quote,  I trust Krishna will agree with your views about  Sanyasa or vairagya  and can clearly understand  you,  that he can be  sanyas in thoughts only and he need not undergo any sanyasa state in his future life. I understood your views in rite sense now, the present four placement of grahas in his chart is not the combination which can make him sanyasi in future. But it is promoting   in him the thoughts of spirituality (in his inner mind)  and is making him more spiritual.  I think  for this he must be happy. If he is capable of understanding your views( in rite sense ) he can enhance his spiritual thinking and develop into a  highly spiritual person and can help others and can guide many in future.  I request him  to  come out of the feeling or doubt  that , he may renounce the world and become Sanyasi in future. I only created this doubt in his mind I feel., thru asking about the four planets placed in 8th bhava in his chart.  So it is my duty to make him understand clearly .

   I trust  and wish Krishna might have understood  the concept well and he may put a full stop of this debate from now.  

    Thanks a lot Rishi ji , for your wonderful  answers to my queries regarding his chart and the time U spent on Krishna's chart.  Let us all wish and pray for  Krishna  , he should have a wonderful  happy married life very soon.


Regards,
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RishiRahul
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prasanna wrote:
Dear brother Krishna and Rishi ji,


              I am fololwing your question and answers. While reading your views about Vairagya , today unexpectedly,  I happened to read the following quote of Sri Sathya Sai  Baba about "Vairagya"

The word 'Vairagya' literally means that which is opposed to Raga (attachment). Vairagya does not mean that you should give up everything and retire in to a forest. Vairagya really means you should stay where you are, in whatever station of life you are in, and understand the subtle nature of things, while giving up worldly desires. It means that by using discrimination you should know what to accept and what to reject. You should strive to recognise the divinity in every object you see and enjoy it. Vairagya is not merely giving up things. It consists in enjoying, without attachment, things which were previously enjoyed with attachment. That is real Vairagya. That is the mark of a true human being.

-BABA

     After reading the quote,  I trust Krishna will agree with your views about  Sanyasa or vairagya  and can clearly understand  you,  that he can be  sanyas in thoughts only and he need not undergo any sanyasa state in his future life. I understood your views in rite sense now, the present four placement of grahas in his chart is not the combination which can make him sanyasi in future. But it is promoting   in him the thoughts of spirituality (in his inner mind)  and is making him more spiritual.  I think  for this he must be happy. If he is capable of understanding your views( in rite sense ) he can enhance his spiritual thinking and develop into a  highly spiritual person and can help others and can guide many in future.  I request him  to  come out of the feeling or doubt  that , he may renounce the world and become Sanyasi in future. I only created this doubt in his mind I feel., thru asking about the four planets placed in 8th bhava in his chart.  So it is my duty to make him understand clearly .

   I trust  and wish Krishna might have understood  the concept well and he may put a full stop of this debate from now.  

    Thanks a lot Rishi ji , for your wonderful  answers to my queries regarding his chart and the time U spent on Krishna's chart.  Let us all wish and pray for  Krishna  , he should have a wonderful  happy married life very soon.


Regards,



Hi Prasanna,

Glad you understood it well. Yes, this is the real sense.

Krishna should overcome his negative thoughts and should work hard in career, not looking for easy results and try to adapt to the world.

RishiRahul
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RishiRahul wrote:
prasanna wrote:
Dear brother Krishna and Rishi ji,


              I am fololwing your question and answers. While reading your views about Vairagya , today unexpectedly,  I happened to read the following quote of Sri Sathya Sai  Baba about "Vairagya"

The word 'Vairagya' literally means that which is opposed to Raga (attachment). Vairagya does not mean that you should give up everything and retire in to a forest. Vairagya really means you should stay where you are, in whatever station of life you are in, and understand the subtle nature of things, while giving up worldly desires. It means that by using discrimination you should know what to accept and what to reject. You should strive to recognise the divinity in every object you see and enjoy it. Vairagya is not merely giving up things. It consists in enjoying, without attachment, things which were previously enjoyed with attachment. That is real Vairagya. That is the mark of a true human being.

-BABA

     After reading the quote,  I trust Krishna will agree with your views about  Sanyasa or vairagya  and can clearly understand  you,  that he can be  sanyas in thoughts only and he need not undergo any sanyasa state in his future life. I understood your views in rite sense now, the present four placement of grahas in his chart is not the combination which can make him sanyasi in future. But it is promoting   in him the thoughts of spirituality (in his inner mind)  and is making him more spiritual.  I think  for this he must be happy. If he is capable of understanding your views( in rite sense ) he can enhance his spiritual thinking and develop into a  highly spiritual person and can help others and can guide many in future.  I request him  to  come out of the feeling or doubt  that , he may renounce the world and become Sanyasi in future. I only created this doubt in his mind I feel., thru asking about the four planets placed in 8th bhava in his chart.  So it is my duty to make him understand clearly .

   I trust  and wish Krishna might have understood  the concept well and he may put a full stop of this debate from now.  

    Thanks a lot Rishi ji , for your wonderful  answers to my queries regarding his chart and the time U spent on Krishna's chart.  Let us all wish and pray for  Krishna  , he should have a wonderful  happy married life very soon.


Regards,



Hi Prasanna,

Glad you understood it well. Yes, this is the real sense.

Krishna should overcome his negative thoughts and should work hard in career, not looking for easy results and try to adapt to the world.

RishiRahul


Dear Guruji & Sister Prasannaji,

Thanks a Ton for your efforts in replying and clarifying my doubts both astrologically and spritually.

Now I am able to understand your words clearly and in a right way and also in a positive manner.

Krishna
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