[quote="rohiniranjan"]I do wish, though, that you had spelled the word "complement" and not the way you did, rightly because that is what you meant! In the sense of praising and adoration, neither of which I am deserving of ...

COMPLEMENT, on the other hand is what has been my life-quest!

While COMPLIMENTS raise one above the rest and create further discrepancies and hierarchies and DIFFERENCES ...

COMPLEMENT just COMPLETES, brings one half close to another so that they may become a WHOLE, or for that matter brings three THIRDS together so that the three of them can join to become a WHOLE.

Three is just the beginning, and not a LIMIT!

SERIOUSLY: Given the state that jyotish and astrology and occultism is in today (despite all internal conflicts and fights and sarcastic putting down, etc), our real enemy is the chasm that separates the Newtonian from the Quantum REALITY!

We may have sensed it, but now we need to explain it! WE can, if only we stopped fighting and focused on the REAL war and CHALLENGE that surrounds us!

RR


[quote="RishiRahul"][quote="rohiniranjan"]Rishi ji,

Due to the nature of the forum thread structure, unless a fragment is quoted, the reader does not know which post is being responded to. I am assuming that you are in agreement with my pedestrian logic as to why I question the adage/dictum that some hold about not seeing a child's horoscope and yet the classics are full of combinations that not only talk about an infant or child's longevity, health but also of their parents' and relatives' as read from a child's chart. I think the pragmatic consideration is that during that period, more than the child, the parents are very vulnerable to suggestions. After all who wants to take a chance when their children are concerned. So the jyotishi must be compassionate, wise and tactful when discussing a child's chart, with his parent. I strongly feel, having seen some performances on the net and read a few accounts shared with me, that most jyotishis could use a dose of reality and a good strong practical course in how to guide others and in counselling.

I do not want to be a thorn and I do not want to bother the status quo, but we each have our karmic burden, I suppose!

RR


[quote="RishiRahul"]You are just INCORRIGIBLE!
Do take it as a compliment.
RishiRahul[/quote][/quote]


Sir,
I correct mself my including the fragment for transparency. I generally do it lately having learnt it from you, but after reading your perfect logic which had a touch of humour too( I mean the balarishta logic) I was too impatient to be practcal.
RishiRahul[/quote][/quote]

Respected Rohinirajanji

You wrote



I stand here to be corrected if I am wrong. A horoscope is analysed by an astrologer. When a child horoscope is given for analysis, Dr B V Raman suggest that the first thing that is to be seen is the longitivity of the child.If any adverse impacts are seen, he suggest that the astrologer should give appropriate remedial measure and nothing else . An analysis by an astrologer doesnot meaning giving prediction . Here the prediction , what is being referred is that some parents with inquisitiveness go to astrologer knowing how the child would grow, what the child would become and other materialistic  details . He suggests these sort of details should not be made. the words" Predictions should not be made, " does not mean that an astrologer he should stop making analysis. All the analysis and other inference should be kept within himself instead of  pronouncing the same to the parents or an individual who has brought the horoscope of the child fro reading. In other words it is said that prediction or inferences on such cases should nor revealed out. It is a socio moral obligations too as any wrong utterance on the horoscope of the child would have deep impact on the child , where in it may not be possible for the child to react against such prediction and the child being put many hardship.

Dear Govardhan ji,

I realize that your view and perspective on this matter may be in alignment with a majority of vocal and professional jyotishis, but to me it makes questionable sense to just look at the longevity of the child and then keep the rest of what one sees to him or herself. There was a time not too long ago when infant mortality was very high, even in the times when Mr. Raman learned and practiced jyotish and yes -- longevity was a big issue. It still is a primary thing of course because what is the point of describing in all glory the mahapurusha yogas and rajayogas and dhana yogas when a child is going to live up only to be ten!

And longevity is the most difficult to decipher and predict as many 'tests' have shown even with otherwise good jyotishis. So indeed it is worthy of research and fine-tuning.

But there are also jyotishis who try to put a superstitious shroud on the topic of child/infant astrology saying all kind of things, some quite ridiculous.

It is true that there are some very unstable individuals who would seek astrological help and they would be adversely affected by a hasty pronouncement by a jyotishi and one must be careful. But by far most individuals are not really affected that much by astrological pronouncements, even if they are parents of the infants or children whose horoscope is being read.

That said, yes, one should not toss out predictions of a serious nature on the internet, particularly in public forums but rather in a one to one setting where there would be more decorum and peaceful setting which is needed for astrology. Astrology should not be done on a crowded railway station where many trains (of thoughts!) are arriving and leaving all the time :-)

Finally, I think it is nearly futile to discuss too much of the guru, shani and tossing sanskrit names for yogas and arishtas to impress people. It makes them more scared than the prediction itself. But some jyotishis also start talking about pret vidya and then the ambience really turns dark!

But we all do what we are most comfortable with, I suppose,

Regards,

RR


[quote="govardhanvt"]Respected Rohinirajanji

You wrote

[quote]What you stated seems to be the popular belief, but here is where I run into problem, Sir!

If we are not supposed to look into the charts of children under 12, how come it is that nearly every single classic produced on jyotish (hindu astrology, vedic astrology, whatever else jyotish has been called over the years) has a big section dealing with balarishta?

If we are not even supposed to look into the charts till they are 12, what is the point of all these combinations that are infanticidal[/quote]

I stand here to be corrected if I am wrong. A horoscope is analysed by an astrologer. When a child horoscope is given for analysis, Dr B V Raman suggest that the first thing that is to be seen is the longitivity of the child.If any adverse impacts are seen, he suggest that the astrologer should give appropriate remedial measure and nothing else . An analysis by an astrologer doesnot meaning giving prediction . Here the prediction , what is being referred is that some parents with inquisitiveness go to astrologer knowing how the child would grow, what the child would become and other materialistic  details . He suggests these sort of details should not be made. the words" Predictions should not be made, " does not mean that an astrologer he should stop making analysis. All the analysis and other inference should be kept within himself instead of  pronouncing the same to the parents or an individual who has brought the horoscope of the child fro reading. In other words it is said that prediction or inferences on such cases should nor revealed out. It is a socio moral obligations too as any wrong utterance on the horoscope of the child would have deep impact on the child , where in it may not be possible for the child to react against such prediction and the child being put many hardship.[/quote]