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Posts: 4318 · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:34 am

I had read or heard long ago that kendras represent place (directions, desh-surroundings; I-here, IV-home where we grew up, VII-Other places (including distant places), X-workplace or karmabhumi) while trikonas represent kal (I-today, V-tomorrow-progeny, IX-yesterday-parent/dharma). The 'P' generally understood to be 'Patra' (nativity in the astro sense) also represents perhaps Paristhiti (placement/situation) and encompasses the trikas (VI-challenged by enemies, health problems, VIII-limitation [of life-ayu, debts, disabling diseases, accidents), XII (penury, loss of energy on futile pursuits etc, loss of mental quietitude etc). Naturally in such associative exercises nothing is flawless, complete, comprehensively perfect. Many technically-minded astrologers do not agree with or appreciate the importance of such considerations and are bothered by such ruminations. They would rather go straight to this planet in that sign house means this or that or the other. However, in my personal experience I have never found that sort of 'cook-book' or look-up-table approach too helpful, hence I like such explorative-associative approaches. Perhaps each of us is 'hard-wired' differently and so those who find the other approach 'alone' adequate for their work consistently, that is fine too. I can respect them. It has never been 'my way or take the highway!' with me. I am not too hung-up on ayanamsha too. I have seen people utilize different ayanamshas (within a reasonable range of approximately 2 degrees around the Chitra Paksha) and successfully too. It becomes complicated when different year-durations get included and a few other factors, so my approach has been that perhaps many charts fall in a range where different ayanamshas work and are within the 'tolerance' range as engineers call. For researchers, when astroindicators fall near the cusps (house, sign, nakshatra, varga) etc, the differences become critical. Toss in the accuracy of birthtimes (even if we use the same standard for the moment of birth [first breath, cutting of the cord, delivery of the full body, appearance of head of the baby etc) then the situation really becomes rather confounded and complex.

I don't know how others have fared in their studies and practice, etc. Would be nice to hears their thoughts and experiences.

Posts: 10719 · Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:15 am

Maybe this show one of the reason to have focus on today...and not only on yesterday...or ancient......just given for mind food.

http://www.montgomerycollege.edu/Departments/planet/M_AS101/Labs/WhatIsYourSignReally/What_is_your_sign_really.htm

Posts: 4318 · Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:47 am

Rhutobello wrote:

Maybe this show one of the reason to have focus on today...and not only on yesterday...or ancient......just given for mind food.

http://www.montgomerycollege.edu/Departments/planet/M_AS101/Labs/WhatIsYourSignReally/What_is_your_sign_really.htm

It is amazing! Just hours ago, I nent a private message to our dear Rishi Rahul and my sharing with him was about Ptolemy and Tetrabiblios!

Maybe our intuitive friends are tuning into something essential! All cats are similar and connected in mysterious ways!

But the FACT remains!''ZODIAC is just the beginning, and not the end!

Vargas, aspects, padas, vargas, much much more!

But you have arrived at the right place on Mystic Board where it kind of began...!

And we all learned!

Posts: 4815 · Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:13 am

Rohiniranjan wrote:

I had read or heard long ago that kendras represent place (directions, desh-surroundings; I-here, IV-home where we grew up, VII-Other places (including distant places), X-workplace or karmabhumi) while trikonas represent kal (I-today, V-tomorrow-progeny, IX-yesterday-parent/dharma). The 'P' generally understood to be 'Patra' (nativity in the astro sense) also represents perhaps Paristhiti (placement/situation) and encompasses the trikas (VI-challenged by enemies, health problems, VIII-limitation [of life-ayu, debts, disabling diseases, accidents), XII (penury, loss of energy on futile pursuits etc, loss of mental quietitude etc). Naturally in such associative exercises nothing is flawless, complete, comprehensively perfect. Many technically-minded astrologers do not agree with or appreciate the importance of such considerations and are bothered by such ruminations. They would rather go straight to this planet in that sign house means this or that or the other. However, in my personal experience I have never found that sort of 'cook-book' or look-up-table approach too helpful, hence I like such explorative-associative approaches. Perhaps each of us is 'hard-wired' differently and so those who find the other approach 'alone' adequate for their work consistently, that is fine too. I can respect them. It has never been 'my way or take the highway!' with me. I am not too hung-up on ayanamsha too. I have seen people utilize different ayanamshas (within a reasonable range of approximately 2 degrees around the Chitra Paksha) and successfully too. It becomes complicated when different year-durations get included and a few other factors, so my approach has been that perhaps many charts fall in a range where different ayanamshas work and are within the 'tolerance' range as engineers call. For researchers, when astroindicators fall near the cusps (house, sign, nakshatra, varga) etc, the differences become critical. Toss in the accuracy of birthtimes (even if we use the same standard for the moment of birth [first breath, cutting of the cord, delivery of the full body, appearance of head of the baby etc) then the situation really becomes rather confounded and complex.

I don't know how others have fared in their studies and practice, etc. Would be nice to hears their thoughts and experiences.

Whoever said that Internet Jyotish/divination is to be taken lightly?!

Given the proper 'Environment' +'Proper 'People' + proper application of intelligence (not sure if it is paka lagna here

).............Internet divination can bring

(music) with a

!

The 'Patro' or 'paristhiti' or 'circumstance' is very important for 'Free Will' that we can apply...as Destiny goes on........>

6th house= challenges (not just in the material sense)
8th house=debt (...do...)
12 house=penury, loss of energy on futile pursuits etc, loss of mental quietitude (...do...)

The above reminds me of a missing link with numerology.
6= challenge numbers
8= karmik debt numbers
12=could it be karmik lesson number? or the hidden passion number!!??

Yesss.........The TRIKA'S........ Free Will...........I wonder...

RishiRahul

Posts: 4318 · Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:19 pm

RishiRahul wrote:

Rohiniranjan wrote:

I had read or heard long ago that kendras represent place (directions, desh-surroundings; I-here, IV-home where we grew up, VII-Other places (including distant places), X-workplace or karmabhumi) while trikonas represent kal (I-today, V-tomorrow-progeny, IX-yesterday-parent/dharma). The 'P' generally understood to be 'Patra' (nativity in the astro sense) also represents perhaps Paristhiti (placement/situation) and encompasses the trikas (VI-challenged by enemies, health problems, VIII-limitation [of life-ayu, debts, disabling diseases, accidents), XII (penury, loss of energy on futile pursuits etc, loss of mental quietitude etc). Naturally in such associative exercises nothing is flawless, complete, comprehensively perfect. Many technically-minded astrologers do not agree with or appreciate the importance of such considerations and are bothered by such ruminations. They would rather go straight to this planet in that sign house means this or that or the other. However, in my personal experience I have never found that sort of 'cook-book' or look-up-table approach too helpful, hence I like such explorative-associative approaches. Perhaps each of us is 'hard-wired' differently and so those who find the other approach 'alone' adequate for their work consistently, that is fine too. I can respect them. It has never been 'my way or take the highway!' with me. I am not too hung-up on ayanamsha too. I have seen people utilize different ayanamshas (within a reasonable range of approximately 2 degrees around the Chitra Paksha) and successfully too. It becomes complicated when different year-durations get included and a few other factors, so my approach has been that perhaps many charts fall in a range where different ayanamshas work and are within the 'tolerance' range as engineers call. For researchers, when astroindicators fall near the cusps (house, sign, nakshatra, varga) etc, the differences become critical. Toss in the accuracy of birthtimes (even if we use the same standard for the moment of birth [first breath, cutting of the cord, delivery of the full body, appearance of head of the baby etc) then the situation really becomes rather confounded and complex.

I don't know how others have fared in their studies and practice, etc. Would be nice to hears their thoughts and experiences.

Whoever said that Internet Jyotish/divination is to be taken lightly?!

Given the proper 'Environment' +'Proper 'People' + proper application of intelligence (not sure if it is paka lagna here

).............Internet divination can bring

(music) with a

!

The 'Patro' or 'paristhiti' or 'circumstance' is very important for 'Free Will' that we can apply...as Destiny goes on........>

6th house= challenges (not just in the material sense)
8th house=debt (...do...)
12 house=penury, loss of energy on futile pursuits etc, loss of mental quietitude (...do...)

The above reminds me of a missing link with numerology.
6= challenge numbers
8= karmik debt numbers
12=could it be karmik lesson number? or the hidden passion number!!??

Yesss.........The TRIKA'S........ Free Will...........I wonder...

RishiRahul

Dear brother,

I do not wish to curb your 'boyish' enthusiasm (or is epiphany!), but don't get too excited and critically look around, and I don't mean just 'here'. There are many havens beyond home!

Love, Light, wide-angle lens!