Griha (Parasari) drishti in vargas...?, Mysticism, reading, forums, Numerology, Sun Signs, Divination

Posts: 4318 · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:52 pm

RishiRahul wrote:

Vinay Jha wrote:

I use all D-charts as full fledged independent charts - using aspects and other relations in all D-charts, but with some precautions :

Rishi= I agree with you here. But many get mixed up as they do not apply the 'PRECAUTIONS', as you said.
rohiniranjan:Pardon my intrusion but, Jyotish has, I believe, an in-built self-preserving capacity! Hence, I have never worried about it "falling in wrong hands", like some orthodox traditionalists who unnecessarily worry about that!

Rishi= I guess one should see it (1) independantly.. then.. (2) in respect of D1... in oreder to perceive it (3) collectively..........Thank you

Have I understood you?

VJ=...I use separate Vimshottari (and sometimes other timing tables also if needed) for each D-chart, like Mr PVR Narasimha Rao, but always I have to compare a D-chart and its current dashaa-planets with the dashaa planets of D-1 in order to find the relative strengths of dashaa planets with respect to the field in question, and varshaphala charts need similar comparison in order to find out which chart is dominant for the moment and for the topic.
Rishi=I seem to agree here too. Can you explain this better? maybe with an example if possible?

Using SSS, this method works far better than the prevalent method of imposing D-1 Vimshottari on all divisionals.

-VJ

Rishi
rohiniranjan

Posts: 4815 · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:56 pm

Vinay Jha wrote:

Here is an example to explain what I wrote just before :

Suppose you have to analyze events related to Karma / Achievements / Career. Here are the steps I take :

1)
Make the D1 and its Vimshottari, and analyze its 10th house and the state of 10th lord, together will all influences on both.

2)
Then, I view D10, most importantly its lagna and 10th house and their lords, D10's Vimshottari planets and their influence on 10th house and lagna in D10.

3)
Then I compare the strengths of Vimshottari planets in D1 vis-a-vis D10, esp with respect to their influence on the events of interest. Suppose MD (Mahadasha) planet in D1 is very weak and MD planet of D10 is exalted, then D10 will suppress the influence of D1 and only D10 will give its results. This picture is simplistic. Here is my detailed method of summing up the results of Vimshottari :

A planet normally has some good and some bad traits. It will give its good results, with no bad results, during the AD of its friendly relatives, and vice versa. Suppose we have to analyze an auspicious event. If D1's MD planet is enmical to AD planet, it means D1 is not functioning well (provided birthdata is accurate). If MD planet of relevant divisional, say D10, is friendly to AD planet in that divisional, then D10 works and D1 does not. Another check is the main strength : if D1's MD planet is weak and D10's MD planet is exalted or in trine then D10 will overpower D1. Using SSS, this method will explain itself when a few dozens of case studies are made. BPHS works wonderfully as a gem of knowledge with this method.

4)
In same way I analyze the annual chart (if applicable, then its monthly chart and lower levels too according to need at hand). For instance, if D1 has Jupiter's MD but Jupiter is weak in D1 and strong in Varsha-phala chart, then the latter will be active and D1 will remain dormant, unable to give any result at all.

5)
There are some rare cases when the above method does not seem to work, even if birthdata is accurate. Under such situations, Ashtaka-varga sometimes helps.

6)
Vimshottari is not the only dashaa system. Sometimes Ashtottari and other dashaas suppress Vimshottari. Chara dahsaa is also very helpful. For death and diseases, Yogini, KCD, Shool dashaas help.

In my own case, I have added 18 seconds to my hospital birthtime, and now even the Vimshottari of my D60 works wonderfully, and it is a pleasure to compare the results of D1-Vimshottari and D60-Vimshottari.

I am preparing some case studies of celebrities which I will post soon.

Dear Vinay ji,

Thank you for the explanations! Very well explained.

Charts of celebrities may not have very correct birthtimes though. What do you think?

RishiRahul

-VJ

Posts: 4815 · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:38 pm

Rohiniranjan wrote:

RishiRahul wrote:

Rohiniranjan wrote:

How are you all using the 'drishti' of planets in vargas other than kshetra (sign lagna chart)? For instance in navamsha kundali or dwadashamsha kundali?

1. Do you not use normal drishtis in finer charts. Such as 1,5,7,9 for jupiter (1 indicates yuti or conjunction)
Rishi=Yes. Did not yet find the applicability of rasi dasas in varga charts. What are your views?
Rohiniranjan:I was asking about Rashi sambandh/drishtis and not rasi dasas! I have not yet convinced myself that rasi drishtis (I prefer sambandha!) ONLY work with rasi dasas! Open minded about it hence the question to survey what other people practice. hence the question...!
Rishi=Yes, I use normal drishtis for finer charts.

2. Only use conjunction (and what about 7)?
Rishi=Conjunction and 7 are very important aspects and they go hand in hand as opposites.
Rohiniranjan:What I was asking (sorry for my un-clear question (!) was,'instead of all drishtis, in finer vargas, do you consider ONLY conjunction and opposition (7th) aspect?'
Rishi=I find the other graha drishtis applicable in finer charts, but more importantly the 1 & 7.

3. Use the drishti sambandh from kshetra chart. So if sun was aspecting saturn in the natal chart, you would assume that the 'bond' between the two planet would continue to operate even if in the varga chart, they are not placed 7th from one another or in 3,7,10 from saturn if that is casting the aspect in lagna chart.
Rishi=Not quite. The bond between Sun & saturn would affect whatever its supposed to signify in rasi chart; but they would not quite do so in affecting the bond in D chart.
But if it the D chart bond is already signified in rasi chart it would work/operate in THAT level. What would you say?
Rohiniranjan:What I meant was, if there is aspect between two planets in D1 but no aspect or association between them in D9, would they still remain 'connected?' Since it is the same planet that is in D1 or D9 or D60, even though its 'varga' or zone it is in is different! In the 'varga' perspective, the planets kind of remain constant but the zone varies!
Rishi=if there is aspect between two planets in D1 but no aspect or association between them in D9, they will not be connected regarding D9 affairs normally. But they may remain 'connected regarding D9 significations if its star & sub qualifies for that signification/event or aspects by D9 signified planets apply in D1.

4. Just use rashi (Jaimini) sambandha (drishti)
Rishi= ?Arent rasi and graha drishti very much separate in purpose?
The difference is as subtle as satya and maya peeth (Rath's language), I think.
Rohiniranjan:I am not familiar with Sanjay's teachings and 'language' so cannot really comment. You will have to tell me the separate purposes of rashi and griha drishti, and perhaps then I can comment.
Rishi=satya is from lagna; maya is from Arudha.
Graha drishti is direct, out in the open and mundane (maybe more mundane).
rasi drishti is silent, works behind the scenes, more subtle and permanent.
I am sure you know about it!

5. Any other considerations?
Rishi=Cant think of anything right now. What else could there be?
Rohiniranjan:No problem. Let us wait for others, they might have something to add. Or not!

Regards.

Rishi
Rohiniranjan:

I wish Vinay ji too replies point against point in this post....... it has advantages in expressing like emoticons have

Rishi

Posts: 4318 · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:59 pm

RishiRahul wrote:

Rohiniranjan wrote:

RishiRahul wrote:

Rohiniranjan wrote:

How are you all using the 'drishti' of planets in vargas other than kshetra (sign lagna chart)? For instance in navamsha kundali or dwadashamsha kundali?

1. Do you not use normal drishtis in finer charts. Such as 1,5,7,9 for jupiter (1 indicates yuti or conjunction)
Rishi=Yes. Did not yet find the applicability of rasi dasas in varga charts. What are your views?
Rohiniranjan:I was asking about Rashi sambandh/drishtis and not rasi dasas! I have not yet convinced myself that rasi drishtis (I prefer sambandha!) ONLY work with rasi dasas! Open minded about it hence the question to survey what other people practice. hence the question...!
Rishi=Yes, I use normal drishtis for finer charts.

2. Only use conjunction (and what about 7)?
Rishi=Conjunction and 7 are very important aspects and they go hand in hand as opposites.
Rohiniranjan:What I was asking (sorry for my un-clear question (!) was,'instead of all drishtis, in finer vargas, do you consider ONLY conjunction and opposition (7th) aspect?'
Rishi=I find the other graha drishtis applicable in finer charts, but more importantly the 1 & 7.

3. Use the drishti sambandh from kshetra chart. So if sun was aspecting saturn in the natal chart, you would assume that the 'bond' between the two planet would continue to operate even if in the varga chart, they are not placed 7th from one another or in 3,7,10 from saturn if that is casting the aspect in lagna chart.
Rishi=Not quite. The bond between Sun & saturn would affect whatever its supposed to signify in rasi chart; but they would not quite do so in affecting the bond in D chart.
But if it the D chart bond is already signified in rasi chart it would work/operate in THAT level. What would you say?
Rohiniranjan:What I meant was, if there is aspect between two planets in D1 but no aspect or association between them in D9, would they still remain 'connected?' Since it is the same planet that is in D1 or D9 or D60, even though its 'varga' or zone it is in is different! In the 'varga' perspective, the planets kind of remain constant but the zone varies!
Rishi=if there is aspect between two planets in D1 but no aspect or association between them in D9, they will not be connected regarding D9 affairs normally. But they may remain 'connected regarding D9 significations if its star & sub qualifies for that signification/event or aspects by D9 signified planets apply in D1.

4. Just use rashi (Jaimini) sambandha (drishti)
Rishi= ?Arent rasi and graha drishti very much separate in purpose?
The difference is as subtle as satya and maya peeth (Rath's language), I think.
Rohiniranjan:I am not familiar with Sanjay's teachings and 'language' so cannot really comment. You will have to tell me the separate purposes of rashi and griha drishti, and perhaps then I can comment.
Rishi=satya is from lagna; maya is from Arudha.
Graha drishti is direct, out in the open and mundane (maybe more mundane).
rasi drishti is silent, works behind the scenes, more subtle and permanent.
I am sure you know about it!

5. Any other considerations?
Rishi=Cant think of anything right now. What else could there be?
Rohiniranjan:No problem. Let us wait for others, they might have something to add. Or not!

Regards.

Rishi
Rohiniranjan:

I wish Vinay ji too replies point against point in this post....... it has advantages in expressing like emoticons have

Rishi

Vinay ji and I are priming for next phase. Think of what is going on now as "nitya karma"!

Posts: 321 · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:03 am

RishiRahul wrote:

Rohiniranjan wrote:

RishiRahul wrote:

Rohiniranjan wrote:

How are you all using the 'drishti' of planets in vargas other than kshetra (sign lagna chart)? For instance in navamsha kundali or dwadashamsha kundali?

1. Do you not use normal drishtis in finer charts. Such as 1,5,7,9 for jupiter (1 indicates yuti or conjunction)
Rishi=Yes. Did not yet find the applicability of rasi dasas in varga charts. What are your views?
Rohiniranjan:I was asking about Rashi sambandh/drishtis and not rasi dasas! I have not yet convinced myself that rasi drishtis (I prefer sambandha!) ONLY work with rasi dasas! Open minded about it hence the question to survey what other people practice. hence the question...!
Rishi=Yes, I use normal drishtis for finer charts.
VJ = Me too.

2. Only use conjunction (and what about 7)?
Rishi=Conjunction and 7 are very important aspects and they go hand in hand as opposites.
Rohiniranjan:What I was asking (sorry for my un-clear question (!) was,'instead of all drishtis, in finer vargas, do you consider ONLY conjunction and opposition (7th) aspect?'
Rishi=I find the other graha drishtis applicable in finer charts, but more importantly the 1 & 7.
VJ = Excepting the Hora Varga, I use drishti and all other relations, chandra kundali and Surya kundali, etc in all vargas exactly in the manner prescribed in BPHS for D1.

3. Use the drishti sambandh from kshetra chart. So if sun was aspecting saturn in the natal chart, you would assume that the 'bond' between the two planet would continue to operate even if in the varga chart, they are not placed 7th from one another or in 3,7,10 from saturn if that is casting the aspect in lagna chart.
Rishi=Not quite. The bond between Sun & saturn would affect whatever its supposed to signify in rasi chart; but they would not quite do so in affecting the bond in D chart.
But if it the D chart bond is already signified in rasi chart it would work/operate in THAT level. What would you say?
VJ = Yes. Attributes of a varga apply only to that varga.

Rohiniranjan:What I meant was, if there is aspect between two planets in D1 but no aspect or association between them in D9, would they still remain 'connected?' Since it is the same planet that is in D1 or D9 or D60, even though its 'varga' or zone it is in is different! In the 'varga' perspective, the planets kind of remain constant but the zone varies!
Rishi=if there is aspect between two planets in D1 but no aspect or association between them in D9, they will not be connected regarding D9 affairs normally. But they may remain 'connected regarding D9 significations if its star & sub qualifies for that signification/event or aspects by D9 signified planets apply in D1.
VJ = Yes.

4. Just use rashi (Jaimini) sambandha (drishti)
Rishi= ?Arent rasi and graha drishti very much separate in purpose?
The difference is as subtle as satya and maya peeth (Rath's language), I think.
Rohiniranjan:I am not familiar with Sanjay's teachings and 'language' so cannot really comment. You will have to tell me the separate purposes of rashi and griha drishti, and perhaps then I can comment.
Rishi=satya is from lagna; maya is from Arudha.
Graha drishti is direct, out in the open and mundane (maybe more mundane).
rasi drishti is silent, works behind the scenes, more subtle and permanent.
I am sure you know about it!
VJ = I have tested Mr Rath's theory about Satya and Maya Peethas, but this theory is contradicted by BPHS itself. For instance, AL affets actual happenings ALSO according to BPHS. Maya Peetha is subject's SUBJECTIVE perception of the OBJECTIVE reality, and this subjective view is shown by Chandra Kundali, not by AL, because Moon shows the mind. I use Chandra Kundali in all vargas. Rasi Drishti is not only in Jaimini, it is in BPHS too (Devachandra Jha's Chowkhamba Edition).

5. Any other considerations?
Rishi=Cant think of anything right now. What else could there be?
Rohiniranjan:No problem. Let us wait for others, they might have something to add. Or not!

Regards.

Rishi
Rohiniranjan:

I wish Vinay ji too replies point against point in this post....... it has advantages in expressing like emoticons have

Rishi

>"Charts of celebrities may not have very correct birthtimes though. What do you think? "

Yes, I use their biographies to rectify the birthtime, and I publish my views only after I am sure of the birthtime.

-VJ