Dear Friends,

Just wondering about this Yoga known as Papa/Shubha Karthari Yogas.

Let us take, for an example, a native of Kanya Lagna having its 4th. house (dhanu) having papakarthari yoga due to getting flanked on either side (of dhanu) by
(condition1) Sani  & Mangal
(condition 2) Rahu & Mangal

Would the nature of the papakarthari be different in quality, depending upon the lordships of Sani, Mangal, Rahu?!

Insights please.

RishiRahul

[quote="RishiRahul"]Dear Friends,

Just wondering about this Yoga known as Papa/Shubha Karthari Yogas.

Let us take, for an example, a native of Kanya Lagna having its 4th. house (dhanu) having papakarthari yoga due to getting flanked on either side (of dhanu) by
(condition1) Sani  & Mangal
(condition 2) Rahu & Mangal

Would the nature of the papakarthari be different in quality, depending upon the lordships of Sani, Mangal, Rahu?!

Insights please.

RishiRahul[/quote]

Dear Rishi_bhai,

I have never claimed to somehow know the perfect state (still working on purr-fect! ), so please do not accept the following as some gospel that I am trying to convey!

What I have seen in jyotish generally is that we tend to focus on things and rules in an isolated manner. And some of us tend to 'run with that'. Some of the examples being: raj-yogas, kartari yogas, sadesati, and the modern jyotish infatuation with lunar nodes!

I treat these and similar as 'flags'. Once noted, then one must dig a bit deeper to see what else in going on that influences or modifies or modulates the 'flags'. Only then perhaps one moves closer to the impact of these 'single factors'.

If jyotish were a black and white reality then we would have only one measure of maleficience but as you know, we have several! Even karakas (executors!) are not black and white. We have at least three considerations there. Not all badhakas are negative, not all planets in badhaksthana is negative in a mindless manner, like some crazy dictator! Biology makes us appreciate that life and growth is not just about life, but it also incorporates death for optimizing the unfoldment of function! In MA's experiment that we call evolution, there is the need for anabolism but also catabolism, in a balanced way that an intelligence greater than ours orchestrates. Cosmic SYMBiOLOGY that Jyotish represents cannot be too far from that general pattern that we see in Nature! Negative and sacrifice is not always detrimental but has a useful purpose too in favour of GROWTH.

I realize and even empathize with those who have convinced themselves that Jyotish rules are a single layered binary descriptors. "Jupiter in lagna will do only this!", but then such an intricate body of rules as Jyotish represents would have been so easy! So mind-numbingly boring and incontrovertible and amenable to be something that a software with the look-up table approach and pattern identification and matching would have made all jyotishis extinct! And some have ambitiously embarked on such approaches. No success story so far from those approaches that are based on a single rule approach, as if that is the Jyotish-reality!

Maybe theirs. I am at peace with that, and feel happy for them

Love and Lux,

Dada,

This is my understanding too.. and very much so.

Amongst karthari yogas etc, the infatuation with the nodes is a bit better though.

My badhak lord has given the best results, even when conjunct with amavasya moon. Here obstruction may have been in terms of staying away from home during the antars.
I understand this, for which Jyotish or any other divinatory art should not be taken as black and white... and Jyotish with umpteen variables .

Wouldnt mercury have a say in how one would think, rather than Jupiter?

Rishi

Rishi_bhai,

It would have been a lot simpler if we MA handed us bins and pigeon holes. Planets (5,7,9,12 whatever) each had its cubby-hole and 12 signs (regardless of zodiacal preferences...) had theirs!

Software programmers would have had a ball! And divination would have been a simple utility away! Plug in your data and pops out the report!

MA perhaps had something else in Her Mind?

We conveniently would love to use convenient bins. I know I would, and I suspect you would too!

As we become better and better (and comfortable?) at such a 'bin-approach', emotional stuff ends up in moon bin, reasoning goes into mercury, miseries go into saturn-bin, and so on (and stays there in that bin!) we suddenly realize (some earlier while others later...!) that while each bin was supposed to contain a specific spice or condiment, the dish that eventually emerges from the kitchen of MA in the dinner hall of MAYA must be a blend of the spices! The cook (novice or professional) must be wary of the individual spices and its effects and influences on the final dish and the hungry one to whom the meal gets served -- they really do not care about the recipes or what each cook put in (effort and experience and knowledge) but are really going for the 'taste' and not even so much the 'nutritional value' of the meal!

They politely pretend to ask about the recipe, and condiments used, but really -- they are impatiently hungry and just want to eat and then go home!

If they go HOME smiling and happy, MA feels happy that HER efforts were not entirely lost...!

Love, Light, Hungry!

Yes, Dada,

Of course, and I have realisED this very much during me earlier learning days (and is still Learning! will still be Learning!).
But still find it important to understand the effects of every bin.

The chart given by me above is not mine (i am meena lagna), and is imaginary.
Actually I am unable to connect Jupiter in Kanya lagna give this nature.

Correct me if I am wrong (as gaonkarswapnil says ),

RishiRahul