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Courage/Bravery- 3rd or 4th House
unanth


Age: 34
Zodiac:
Cancer



Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 103

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dear members,

i would like to know your views on this topic.

as per vedic astrology 3rd house governs mind , mental strength, courage etc
4th house rules motherland, heart, vehicles etc

my doubt is where does courage originate from? mind or heart?

people always refer to heart as the source of courage, for instance
brave heart , chicken heart or weak heart and also we says in hindi Sher Dil or man with Khaleja

as opposed to above, mind is related to control, stability etc

i request you to throw more light on why then 3rd house is related to Courage?

thanks
Re: Courage/Bravery- 3rd or 4th House
RishiRahul
Astrology Reader

Age: 53
Zodiac:
Gemini



Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 4817
Location: Calcutta, New York, Toronto
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unanth wrote:
dear members,

i would like to know your views on this topic.

as per vedic astrology 3rd house governs mind , mental strength, courage etc
4th house rules motherland, heart, vehicles etc

my doubt is where does courage originate from? mind or heart?
RishiRahul= Mind and heart always acts together, in differing proportions, and results are obtained.

people always refer to heart as the source of courage, for instance
brave heart , chicken heart or weak heart and also we says in hindi Sher Dil or man with Khaleja
RishiRahul= I think so too that heart is the source of courage. Everything has its source.; but then it has to flow.


as opposed to above, mind is related to control, stability etc

i request you to throw more light on why then 3rd house is related to Courage?
RishiRahul=Third house stands for courage. Natural malefics like Rahu, Mars gives more brute courage there.

RishiRahul

thanks
Re: Courage/Bravery- 3rd or 4th House
unanth


Age: 34
Zodiac:
Cancer



Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 103

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hello rishirahul ji,

its pleasant to get your view on this
further i have more questions, please clarify
RishiRahul wrote:
unanth wrote:
dear members,

i would like to know your views on this topic.

as per vedic astrology 3rd house governs mind , mental strength, courage etc
4th house rules motherland, heart, vehicles etc

my doubt is where does courage originate from? mind or heart?
RishiRahul= Mind and heart always acts together, in differing proportions, and results are obtained.

people always refer to heart as the source of courage, for instance
brave heart , chicken heart or weak heart and also we says in hindi Sher Dil or man with Khaleja
RishiRahul= I think so too that heart is the source of courage. Everything has its source.; but then it has to flow.
unanth- how is the flow affected? i mean if the 4th house is weak and the 3rd house is strong , is the native still more courageous? as u confirmed that 3rd house stands for courage. i am not taking A3 into consideration here
also what are the general results of aspects of malefic planets like Mars, Saturn on 3rd house

as opposed to above, mind is related to control, stability etc

i request you to throw more light on why then 3rd house is related to Courage?
RishiRahul=Third house stands for courage. Natural malefics like Rahu, Mars gives more brute courage there.
unanth-how does the courage get affected with the placement of Saturn or Ketu?

RishiRahul

thanks
Re: Courage/Bravery- 3rd or 4th House
RishiRahul
Astrology Reader

Age: 53
Zodiac:
Gemini



Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 4817
Location: Calcutta, New York, Toronto
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unanth wrote:
hello rishirahul ji,

its pleasant to get your view on this
further i have more questions, please clarify
RishiRahul wrote:
unanth wrote:
dear members,

i would like to know your views on this topic.

as per vedic astrology 3rd house governs mind , mental strength, courage etc
4th house rules motherland, heart, vehicles etc

my doubt is where does courage originate from? mind or heart?
RishiRahul= Mind and heart always acts together, in differing proportions, and results are obtained.

people always refer to heart as the source of courage, for instance
brave heart , chicken heart or weak heart and also we says in hindi Sher Dil or man with Khaleja
RishiRahul= I think so too that heart is the source of courage. Everything has its source.; but then it has to flow.
unanth- how is the flow affected? i mean if the 4th house is weak and the 3rd house is strong , is the native still more courageous? as u confirmed that 3rd house stands for courage. i am not taking A3 into consideration here
also what are the general results of aspects of malefic planets like Mars, Saturn on 3rd house
RishiRahul=Let us take an extreme case of courage... the brashness of love/love heroic deeds tinged with rashness. Here that passion(venus mars) ruled by the heart overpowers the mind (moon).   Again both heart/mind performs here.
Then the other opposite is people who are timid. Here the mind is overactive/calculating the consequences of the youthful heart.

A 'deed' performed requires action. Action requires  courage. Courage requires the play between the mind and the heart in differing proportions. This difference denotes the type of courage or 'khaleja' in colloquial terms.
This is why I said that the heart is the source of courage. Then the filtering of the mind comes. The result is 'deed'.

Saturn conjunct moon, particularly, when linked to the house of courage leads to events happening in the course of life when a time comes that mind tries to filter the efforts from happening with confidence.
Sometimes...... the earlier life had some overconfident brash moves leading to dissapoint.
This can happen in navamsa too involving dharma(question of right/wrong).


as opposed to above, mind is related to control, stability etc

i request you to throw more light on why then 3rd house is related to Courage?
RishiRahul=Third house stands for courage. Natural malefics like Rahu, Mars gives more brute courage there.
unanth-how does the courage get affected with the placement of Saturn or Ketu?
RishiRahul=Now I know what you mean and would like to know!

Saturn in the vikrama vhava makes the native gain courage through inner realisations. This is particularly so if he has Saturn in the 3/6 from Al. The realisation becomes very internal, and long and hurtful if Saturn is afflicted. In your case it is afflicted in navamsa by moon, the karaka of mind.

Do understand that realisation is an internal ingredient for courage.... particularly when it is internal courage given by Ketu or Saturn.



RishiRahul

thanks



RishiRahul
unanth


Age: 34
Zodiac:
Cancer



Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 103

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RishiRahul=Let us take an extreme case of courage... the brashness of love/love heroic deeds tinged with rashness. Here that passion(venus mars) ruled by the heart overpowers the mind (moon).   Again both heart/mind performs here.
Then the other opposite is people who are timid. Here the mind is overactive/calculating the consequences of the youthful heart.

A 'deed' performed requires action. Action requires  courage. Courage requires the play between the mind and the heart in differing proportions. This difference denotes the type of courage or 'khaleja' in colloquial terms.
This is why I said that the heart is the source of courage. Then the filtering of the mind comes. The result is 'deed'.

Saturn conjunct moon, particularly, when linked to the house of courage leads to events happening in the course of life when a time comes that mind tries to filter the efforts from happening with confidence.
Sometimes...... the earlier life had some overconfident brash moves leading to dissapoint.
This can happen in navamsa too involving dharma(question of right/wrong).

unanth -
i get what you say,  and the part regarding Saturn conjunct or linked to moon is very true . it gets filtered to the extent that sometimes it is nullified.
also i have a chart where Rahu is conjuct moon in the third house of cancer not aspected by any planet and retro Guru in the 4th house aspected by Shani in 2nd house and Mangal from 1st house

the native is courageous but in a satwik way and very true to heart and fight for the noble and right cause.
i am starting to get what you mentioned.

RishiRahul=Now I know what you mean and would like to know!

Saturn in the vikrama vhava makes the native gain courage through inner realisations. This is particularly so if he has Saturn in the 3/6 from Al. The realisation becomes very internal, and long and hurtful if Saturn is afflicted. In your case it is afflicted in navamsa by moon, the karaka of mind.

Do understand that realisation is an internal ingredient for courage.... particularly when it is internal courage given by Ketu or Saturn.

unanth

in my case saturn is 6th from AL and afflicted as you said
and it is the most hurtful. this courage i am talking about is not for proactive things but things which are reactive like mostly dealing with people, the reaction to this hurt is further hurt as there is no exhaust , i mean a tit for tat  or something like that. its only staying silent brooding and feeling and etc.
Yes Saturn is weak in cancer and in 6-8 relation with Moon, afflicted in navamsa by moon.
Also i always thought aspect of Mars(high in shadbala) from 12th was a major factor for this supression of expression of courage.
i didnt know moon played a vital role
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