True! Agreed  RR Ji..........

Then you also need to give them (Rahu n Ketu) their Exaltion, deblition houses if you use TRUE NODES isn't it?

Then they also have a Stationary...temp motion too.......? i mean do we need to take these into consideration?? if use True Nodes?....

My dear friend, ChanDubai (!),

I have always wondered, though, why in Jyotish which is a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get -- a popular innovation that brought to us the GUI and killed clunky MSDOS!) -- meaning the visible rather than the invisible Season-based Zodiac (Tropical) was brought into modern and current focus!

I am not 100% sure, but even NODES do hesitate and TRUE to their inherent and intrinsic nature do stop and move back and then proceed forward like other planets!

They do so, much less frequently than other planets whose stambhan and retrogression and acceleration and so on, we all wise astrologers learn but then most of us just toss those aside and move on with our pronouncements and pontifications! Though the 'prevalence' is a lot less here for the nodes! Once we can control and make, even *visitors* from outer space and others similar to understand the nodal dimensions, and to realize that they do not belong on planet earth, exorcism is complete! COFFEE helps as Rishirahul suggested for the likes of them.

Nodes are created by MA and BABA (moon and sun) as we view their crossing from planet earth-perspective! Aka Geocentric on which astrology depends! Sidereal and Tropical, but not Heliocentric!

Love, Light, Reality,

Thank you! RR Ji.......

your below explaination is very helpful.....

Best Wishes

ChanDubai

Thanks ChanDubai for your supportive words!

I think it was Michael Erlewine who created MATRIX software company and produced many software packages primarily for tropical astrologer but then also what was perhaps the first package for vedic astrologers as 'we' were called in the early 80's. and as I have mentioned at times, why create labels like those, (Vedic astrology, Hindu astrology and even the more appropriate Vaidic astrology!)? When we had an elegant label already: Jyotish!

But, that is fine and dandy! What is in a name! And this is not even meant to be even a feeble protest against our forum on Mystic Board where we are posting and share so much, but our sub-forum is named Vedic-Astrology! If it is renamed JYOTISH (not necessarily in ALL UPPERCASE...!) we will still continue to hear from and cater to the same gentry! That are already here. Back in the 80's when I began my internet journey, Jyotish was difficult word to pronounce for some western brothers and sisters, and they used to address certain jyotishis as "jyoshi"! I ignore that and responded benevolently to their questions and requests, one by one!

Now I read that on other fora, certain individuals are questioning the vedic origins of Jyotish and claiming that in VEDIC (I prefer VAIDIK) times there were no signs known and they were imported from Babylon or Greece or Alexandria!

Maybe, JYOTISH is a better term for it does not rouse these fights and infights, elsewhere!

Michael was/is a very energetic fellow, a buddhist hence peaceful, and did a lot for astrology and including Jyotish and JYOtISHIS who may not have used his software ever but had interactions with him and personally gained from his APPLE BASIC routines that even using a Timex/Sinclair (my first computer) allowed me to prepare a chart and dasas and so on in couple of minutes as opposed to the couple of hours I needed earlier using paper and pencil and tables of houses and ephemeris, etc!

But I NEVER could understand his HELIOCENTRIC perspective! We do not LIVE on the sun (Thank God!) and I have never had any problems in accepting that for Jyotish, geo-based perspective (avoiding geocentric vs geotopical uhapoha!) is the right one! As opposed to season-based zodiac which at the very same instant creates a schism between north and south hemispheres on the same planet. OURs!!

When Sweden is shivering in deep-freeze, Australia is enjoying the warm beaches! And embracing skin cancer from over-exposure to SUN!

So much to think about! If we dare to care...!

Regards,

Mangal, Can indicate a need to work out aggression and feeling secure in one's own power.

Budha, can indicate a need to develop the intellect, or could give good historical knowledge or knowledge of the past.

Guru, can indicate a need to not rely on luck, but on plans.

Shani, can indicate a need to work on discipline and sticking to a regular schedule.