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Raman Deep Singh
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I went through Prasna Marga (Niryana sani, jupiter etc). So much permutations. Dont know which one to take.


Who said astrology can be learn by just going thru books...Thats y astrology is said to be a sadhna you have learn to use the mentioned
permutations and understand the logic behind these permutations and not just remember them.

Regarding Sahams how will we find out Sahams?

sahamas are sensitive point as mentioned by babul ji and are
mentioned in many standard texts. Their calculation depends
upon  degrees of diferent planets or lagna.
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rockyallen7771 wrote:
Dear Babulji and Ramanji

I went through Prasna Marga (Niryana sani, jupiter etc). So much permutations. Dont know which one to take.

A simple doubt. When we say a house or planet is aspected, what type of aspect it mean usually?

Regarding Sahams how will we find out Sahams?

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LONGEVITY AS PER
KRISHNA MURTHY PADDHATHI


Even in K.P. it is necessary to consider 1,3,8,12, 2 and 7 houses besides badhaka palces according to chara Sthira and Ubhaya classification.

If the sub lords of 1st, 3rd and 8th houses signify 2 , 7  and badhaka palces, it denotes Alpayurdaya (short life).


If the sub lords of 1st, 3rd and 8th housses signify marakasthana as well as the bhavas which cause long life then it causes Madhyayush(Medium life).

If the sub lords of 1st, 3rd and 8th houses signify 1,3,5,8 and 9 and 11 housess (not being badhaka planets), it gives long life.

Nature of death

If Ravi is the death inflicting planet in a chart then the death may happen through fire, vehicle accidents.
If Chandra is the death inflicting planet in a chart then the death may happen through drowning, stampad or natural disaster.
If  Kuja  is  the  death  inflicting  planet  in  a  chart  then  unexpected, violent, death  or  death  by weapons or deadly instruments may be predicted.
If  Budha  is  the  death  inflicting  planet  in  a  chart  then  the  death  may  happen  through  windy complaints or falling from elevated place.
If Guru is the death inflicting planet in a chart then the death cause may be fever, indigestion, fat, and anayasamaranam.
If  Sukra  is  the  death  inflicting  planet  in  a  chart  then  the  death  may  be  expected by  disease  in generative organs, sexual diseases and prameha.
If Sani is the death inflicting planet in a chart then the death by diseases of bones, punishment and the disease may be chronic one.
If Rahu is the death inflicting planet in a chart then the death may come by poison, imprisonment and complicated diseases.



If the 8th cusp sub lord is in a firy sign then violent death may be expected.
If the 8th cusp sub lord occupies an earthy sign the cause of death may be natural disaster such as earth quake or building collapse etc.
If the 8th cusp sub lord is in an airy sign the death may be caused by air crash, wind complaint.
If the 8th cusp sub lord is in a watery sign death is by watery diseases or drowning etc.

Place of Death

If the star lord of the eighth house cuspal sub lord is in 4,10 houses the death may take place in his native place, own residence or working place.
3rd house near tohis residence.
6,8,12 houses Hospital or in a distant place.
9th house in journey or unfamiliar place.
5 11 houses at the places where auspicious deeds are being done.
2 7 and badhaka places ordinary death.

Unnatural Death

The 1st cusp sub lord should be connected with 8th and 12th houses and at the same time the sub and star lords of 8th house be in Mesha, Vrisha, Simha,Vrischika,Dhanus or Makara signs.

In the sub-sub, sub, major periods of the planets which are connected with 1st and 8th houses death  may  take  place.   Then  the  lords  of  the  sub and sub-sub periods  must  be  connected to Maraka and Badhaka lords.
Particularly they should be 8th cusp sign-star-sub lords or Star lord of the 8th cuspal sub lord.

In  a  horary  chart, the  sign,star,sub lords  of  1st  or  8th  houses  signify  the  badhaka  or  maraca houses, death is inevitable.
The gochara also is to be checked.
If the 8th cusp sub lord is the significator of 1,6,7,8,10 and 12 houses  and connected to Kuja and Sani, it may cause death by suicide.


EXAMPLE


On 4th Feb., 1985, one of my friends asked me to study his friend’s horoscope, who was in bed for more than one month.  
We  both  went  to his  house.   After  the  introduction  and other  things  are  over,  I  asked for  his horoscope.  I was told by the family members that they don’t know even his birth particulars.

Then as usual I asked the patient to choose a random number between 1-249.    He selected 243.

Next day i.e., 5th Feb.,1985 at 10.30 p.m. I began to work.  Those days we don’t have computers and soft  wares.  
Based on  KP ephemeris  and   Astrological  table  of  houses  published from Hariman   Book publishers from Madras I prepared the chart.


As per KP  if 1st cusp sub lord signifies Maraka and Badhaka houses  it causes early death.  
Here Ven the 1st and 6th sl situated in Sat star.  So we can assume that the disease is a chronic one.  

Sat and Ket are in 8th house.  Sun Merc Ven and Sat are Malefics for Pisces Lagna.

As Asc is Dual sign the 7th house from it,  Kanya becomes Badhaka house besides being Maraka house.  So Merc is the Marakadhipathi  and Badhkadhipathi.

The planets deposited in the stars of planets who are in maraka and badhaka houses,

Or the planets who are in the houses,
Or conjoined with those planets,
Or the planets who are in the stars of lords, of these houses, cause death.

Here the badhaka sthana is Kanya.  Its lord is Budha.  Budha is in Moon’s star Sravana in Sat Rasi   Makara and and in the Sub of Rahu.  Budha is with Ravi Guru.

Let us consider RP. That is Tuesday. Lagna is Kanya.  Star is Aslesha.  Rasi is Karka.  
Day lord Kuja, Sign lord Moon , Star Lord Budha, Lagna Lord Budha and lagna star lord is Kuja.
Thus Mars,Moon,Merc becomes the ruling planets.
Let us study the dasas. Then Rahu Bhukthi in Budha Mahadsa is running.  Anthara belongs to Ketu.(upto 3rd March).
Kuja is 2nd Bhava Lord and Rahu being there represents Mars.  Ketu Represents Ven the lord of 8th house and signifying 3,8,12 houses.

1st star lord is Merc and Sub lord is Ven.
3rd  star lord is Moo and Sub lord is Ket.
6th  star lord is Ven  and Sub lord is Ven.
8th  star lord is Jup and Sub lord is Sat.
12th  star lord is Rah and Sub lord is Merc.

Here Ket as the representative of Ven caused death in sub sub period.  So I predicted that the patient may breath his lost before March, 1985.  
Actually his death took place on 27th Feb.,1985.

The day was Wednesday.  Star was Rohini.  Asc was Sagitt.  Dasa was  Merc  Rahu  Rahu  Ketu.



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Life Span and Unnatural death

At  first  we  have  to consider  a  person’s  life  span and then only  ascertain which planet  causes death and its dasa (time of death) then should be confirmed.

To predict death we consider the 1st,3rd,and 8th houses from lagna  and 12th  houses there from.
Chandra  sign  also is  very  important  like  Lagna.     The  houses, their  lords, their  occupants  and death  karakas  to be  verified.   We  can  classify  the  death  inflicting  planets  into three.   Primary, Secondary  and temporary  determinants.   The    malefic  planets  connected with  2 and 7 houses
stand as Primary death causing ones.  The benefic planets connected with these 2 and 7 houses, the  planets  connected with  3rd  and 8th  houses  become  secondary  death  causing  planets.   The weakest planet in the chart, the lords of 6th and 8th houses,  Sani connected with the primary or secondary category death inflicting planets stand as third category.

The strongest among the above mentioned planets can cause death. The planet connected to the 8th house (being its lord or by aspect or situation, association), the lord of 22nd drekkana, the lord of 64th  navamsa, and the strongest enemy of 8th lord.


5th house represents success, 9th house represents origin, 8th house represents death. 5th of 8th is 12th house.   9th  of  8th  is  4th  house.   Therefore  when  the  4th  and 12th  houses  from  lagna  are  afflicted heavily, one may have unnatural death.

Kendras of the 4th lord should be occupied or aspected by Sani, Ketu, Kuja and trika lords.  

When  only  the  4th  lord is  afflicted, the  native  may  meet  a  violent  accident  or  may  suffer  from serious illness in his life time.
1. Lagna, lagna  lord, the  Moon, the  Sun  are  most  important  factors. When  these  are seriously afflicted unnatural death may be predicted.
2. The nature of death can be judged from the 8th house, 8th lord, 22nd drekkana and its lord from lagna as well as from the Moon.
3. Lords of 64th navamsa from lagna and Moon got the power of inflicting the death.
4. The  powerful  and strong  among  the  below  listed planets  give  death  in  their  dasa  and vidasas.   The  8th  lord, planets  in  the  8th  house, planets  aspecting  the  8th house, planets conjoined with 8th lord, planet which is bitter enemy of the 8th lord, (the planets any how connected with the 8th house), the lord of 22nd drekkana from lagna.
5. Kuja, Sani, Rahu and Ketu play an important role in causing unnatural death.
6. The  benefics  which  are  in  the  stars  of  Mars, Rahu, Ketu  and Sat, and connected with death inflicting zones will kill silently.
7. The  dasa  and vidasas  of  the  planets  related to 6th, 8th  and 12 houses  denote  and cause accidents.   The  connection  of  the  above  said malefics  may  prove  fatal  whereas  the benefics  like  Guru  or  Sukra  will  give  minor  accidents.   If  there  are  strong  benefics  in Kendras less evil experiences are felt.
8. Planets connected to the 8th house indicate the cause of death.

The Sun: Fire, fever, bilious troubles, burns, accidents.
The Moon: Blood defects, drowning, watery diseases.
Mars: Weapons, sudden attack, violent death.
Mercury: Fever, smallpox, mental ailments.
Jup: Peaceful death (anayasa maranam), digestive troubles.
Venus: diseases in generative organs, degeneration of life force.
Sat: Hunger, diseases of chronic nature, abnormal habits.
Rahu acts like Sat and Ketu will give results like Mars.

Accident

Accidents occur during the major-sub periods of planets related to 6,8,12 houses,  and  major and
sub periods of maraka and badhaka lords or planets situated in these houses.
The planets which cause these accidents are Sani, Kuja, Rahu and Ketu.
Accidents may occur during the transit periods of the above malefic planets.
There  are  certain  inauspicious  muhurthas, tithis, Nakshtras  and yogas  which  cause  accidents during the journey.
Thus accidents occur in one or more of the conditions mentioned above.  The severity depends upon the adverse nature of the planetary combination.  
Further the accidents fall under two categories those which lead to injury and those which lead to death.   The  individual  with  good longevity  if  meets  with  accident  escapes  death  with  injury, otherwise he may lose life.
The airy, fiery, watery, earthy  signs denote the cause of accident through air-crash, fire, water or on the ground.

If Sani occupies 8th house death due to cart accident.  
If the 10th lord is connected to 4th lord, Sani is in 8th house with Ketu.
If 4th lord conjoined with Sani or Rahu and aspected by Kuja death caused by hit of stones.


D.O.B. 9.7.1973


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Lagna  Vrischika, Rahu  Dhanus, Guru  Makara, Kuja  Meena, Ravi  Sani  Ketu  Mithuna, Budha Sukra Karka.
In this chart Sani the 4th lord is with Ketu and 10th lord Sun in 8th and aspected by Kuja.  
In Jataka tatwa it is said that the 10th lord connected with 4th lord, Rahu or Sani aspected by Kuja there will be death from stone hitting.  If Sani is in 8th accident by vehicle also is expected.  He died in Rahu dasa Guru Bhukti.
If Kuja or weak Chandra influence the 8th house and its lord along with Ketu or the lord of the sign is occupied by Ketu the native dies through accidents.
If Ravi Kuja Sani Rah or Ketu occupy 10th or 5th house, then death happens by vehicle accident.
Lagna, 4th and 5th houses or their lords are centres of stronger malefic influences than 3rd and 9th houses the native meets accident while travelling.
Afflictions to the 3rd and 9th houses/or their lords in the birth charts (especially by 8th lord) are symptoms for travel disaster by air.  The 8th lord with no connection with the 3rd lord/3rd house in the birth chart keeps life intact in spite of serious injuries in the disaster.

Sani in 8th and 4th lord  in 6th indicate death while journeying.

The  4th  house  rules  vehicles  and 8th  house  longevity.   If  these  two are  related then  accidents
happen. (related to the elements)

[size=9]Unnatural Time of Death[/size]

The unnatural death takes place at a time when critical dasa anthara operates.  
1. The  2nd  7th  lords  are  death  causing  planets.   So their  dasas  and antharas  are  capable  of abruptly ending the life.
2. Dasa of a planet preferably an evil lord posited in the 2nd house and anthara of another posited in the 7th house and vice versa can cause death.
3. Dasa of 2nd or 7th lords in the bhukti of their dispositors can also cause death.
4. Planets linked to the 2nd and 7th lords in their dasa and antharas may inflict death on the native.

5. An afflicted lagna lord in its own sub period in the period of its sign dispositors can give death like troubles.
6. As  lord of  3rd  , 10th  11th  and situated among  one  of  thee  houses  Sani  gives  number  of sufferings.
7. Guru  and Budha  though  benefic  planets  being  the  Kendra  lords  and having  double angular lordship they cause death to the native in their sub periods through the period of suitable planet imbibed with similar malefic characteristics.
8. Rahu is the main killer in his own dasa and bhukti.
9. When any planet is in 2nd or 7th houses then the dispositors of these houses cause death with the help of occupants.

The luminaries and the lord of Lagna are called the tripods of Astrology.  These three even when they  get  maraka  powers  become  more  or  less  evil  but  never  kill, so say  classical  texts.   The luminaries as lords of the 8th house do not become evil, lords of 8th houses are not evil, provided they own the lagna, lord of lagna is nowhere ranked as maraka.

Nevertheless, all  these  three  have  sometimes  behaved as  marakas, during  their  periods  in defiance of the classical injunctions, of course when the class of longevity should permit them to take away life.

Murder or suicide.


Astrology  can  be  used to know  whether  the  death  is  due  to suicide  or  murder.   There  are  two different rules specifically indicating suicide or murder.  
Chandra  represents  mind, Kuja  indicates  instant  death  and Ketu  is  the  karaka  for  suicide  or murder.   When  Chandra, Kuja, Ketu  periods  are  operating  and these  planets  are  any  way connected with maraka and badhaka sthanas or their lords, in Gochara also, the death by suicide takes place.
The report,  which appeared on 4-7-1980 in ‘Hindustan Times’ says,  that suicide attempts were made on Mondays and Tuesdays under the caption “Suicide prone on Mondays and Tuesdays”.  

This supports our view that Chandra and Kuja are instigating factors for this type of death.  
For murder, Kuja, Ketu and Sani are responsible.  Here Chandra’s role is ignorable or negative
also sometimes. Besides these planets, 8th house, 8th lord, badhaka and maraka sthana lords also are to be considered.  The dasa and antardasa also should be of these planets.



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Here I give a simple method to know LONGIVITY based on K P.



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Chandra and Sadyorishta, Infant Mortality

8th bhava indicates longevity.  If the lord of 8th joins the 12th with a malefic short life is indicated.
It will be the same if lagna lord joins 8th lord in 6th house.

Weak and waning Chandra in 12th and malefics in lagna and 8th house and no benefic planets in Kendras cause early death.
Weak and waning Chandra in Lagna not aspected by Benefic planets, if kendras or 8th house are occupied by malefics early death.
If Chandra got papakartari yoga and occupies 4th or 7h or 8th houses without benefic aspect causes early death.
The weak Chandra, in conjunction with malefics deposited in lagna,7th,8th or 12th house, and no single benefic in Kendra causes early death.
The weak and waning Chandra in 6th or 8th aspected by malefics causes early death.
If Chandra in lagna and Ravi, Kuja and Sani are in 7th early death is expected.

Chandra  in  lagna  and in  papakartari  yoga  and malefics  in  7th  or  8th  houses  causes  death  of  the child as well as its mother.
Chandra with malefics in lagna or 7th or 8th or 12th houses, devoid of benefic position in Kendra, causes early death of the child.
If Sani occupies the 12th, Ravi the 9th house, Chandra Lagna, and Kuja the 8th house it causes early death of the child.
If  the  maraka  planets  are  in  exaltation, in  moolatrikona  or  in  swakshetra, its  dasa  or  bhukti  is dangerous.

Even Guru may occupy the lagna, but if Chandra be in 8, 12, 6th bhava and aspected by malefic, Rahu the child meets death.
If  the  rising  sign  and Chandra  be  devoid of  benefic  aspects  and between  two malefics  cause balarishta

One must consider invariably the 8th,3rd,2nd and 7th houses for determining longevity.
The subject is divided into 4 groups. 1. Balarishta   2. Alpayu   3. Madyayu   4. Deerghayu.
Balarishta  is  of  two kinds.   Sadyorishta  (Death  immediately  after  birth)  and Balarishta  (Death within 12 years ).
1. Lagna is the body.  Chandra is mind.  Ravi is the soul.  If these main centres of the body are afflicted by malefics the new born baby will not survive.
2. Lagna, its lord, Chandra and 8th should be considered.  If a malefic in Ascendant afflicted by 8th lord and Chandra by the Ravi and Sani the child dies immediately.
3. Lagna lord in 6th makes the child weak, and affliction by 8th lord gives more troubles in its growth.
4. If  Chandra  or  Ravi  in  Kendras  afflicted by  malefics, and their  dispositors  also are afflicted, the child will not at all survive.
5. The  dispositors  of  Ravi, Chandra  and Lagna  and the  cusps  of  3rd  and 8th  also are  to be checked.
6. The  transit  of  planets  over  the  above  said five  sensitive  points  gives  clue  the  time  and date of death.
7. The child dies within hours of birth if Chandra is in other than 3, 6, 10, 11 houses and lords of 1st and 8th houses and Ravi also is afflicted.

Even Guru may occupy the lagna, but if Chandra be in 8, 12, 6th bhava and aspected by malefic, Rahu the child meets death.
If  the  rising  sign  and Chandra  be  devoid of  benefic  aspects  and between  two malefics  cause balarishta.
When  all  the  planets  are  weak and occupy  3, 6, 9 or  12, or  apoklima  houses  early  death  is noticed.

When  Ravi  and Chandra  are  posited in  the  3rd  house  identical  with  malefic  sign  and in conjunction with a malefic in a nativity, he will fall ill and die before 3 years.
If Guru is in debilitation and birth is at mid day (Full Dark fortnight), the child dies in a month.
When waning Chandra occupies the rising sign and a malefic planet is in Kendra or in the 8th the child dies.
When Chandra occupies the rising sign, 6,8,12 places from it and is aspected by a malefic planet, without benefic aspect, Kendra kona are not occupied by benefics infant death is predicted.
When Sani occupies the 7th or the lagna itself and when rising sign is a watery one and Chandra occupies the lagna and the benfic planets are in Kendra the child dies early according yavanas.
If  the  two malefic  planets  occupy  the  lagna  and the  7th  and Chandra  be  in  conjunction  with  a malefic planet and be not aspected by benefic one, the death of new born baby occurs.
When Chandra in conjunction with a malefic planet occupies the rising sign and is not aspected by benefic planets, these latter being in a position other than Kendra, death may take place.



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