to all debating....
It is always nice when we exchange information, views, belief, and science, as long as we concentrate about these thing.
When we start to attack each other, then that is a proof of lack of words....you don't have enough information, or is a good enough to put it forward in such a way that other change according to your opinion.
This is quiet normal, and should be respected by all....if your own belief in your system is big enough, then that must be enough, NOT that everyone else have to believe the same as YOU.
To start calling other by name, or downgrade their belief is a bad way to go, and hurt in the long run only the one who do it...because he/she show their lack.
Nothing of what is done or is discussed here on this site is information laid in stone.
Everything here is beliefs, and since none have the proof that their belief is the ultimate one, you have to have respect for others, even if you by "proper" way try to put forward your own thoughts.
As for Countryman......I am far from Countryman.....in fact I am on the other side of the globe
I close this thread too.....because I think what is said...is said enough.