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Raman Deep Singh
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Astrology like other predictive methods is not 100% accurate errors are common. May be our ancient seers or people with great ability could give accurate predictions everytime but even parasara says its not easy to predict the exact time of death of a person and thats the only certain thing that we know would happen eventually.


Hi GS ji,
I would like to just re frame your this statement.

Astrology like any other SCIENCE is not 100% accurate .

I hope many would agree that going to doctor for serious conditions wont get you to solution easily.
I will give 2 personal instances.

1.I have to visit 5 doctors from good institutes to get to reason of my illness.and i have ben diagnosed to many irrelevant things.

2.My acquaintance went to breach candy for operation and got operated wrongly for a disease like CANCER.

So you see errors are always there even in the cases where practitioner is from good background but lacks exp and zeal to learn.


Your statement is good enough coz common people cant distinguish between quacks and real astrologers
ANd there is no other way to find it out other than personal experience.

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Raman
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Hello Raman Ji,
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Astrology like any other SCIENCE is not 100% accurate
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I myself could have used SCIENCE instead of Other predictive methods, But i chose not to.

Astrology cannot be seen in same light as SCIENCE.

For past 1year i have been searching for any data giving a statistical study on accuracy of predictive vedic astrology and i found none (kindly give me any links or articles if u know). At the same time i found many on western astrology.

We in India follow astrology out of belief and tradition and not because it is science and which it is not.

And now coming to your examples. What happened to you is quite common. The first task of a doctor is to diagnose the ailment and it totally depends on the ability of the individual doctor but not on medicine. Medicine works only when the diagnosis is right.

If doctors could not find the reason behind the symptoms then they lookup case studies, consult various other doctors and they try to come to conclusion. For this they have huge archives of materials and previous case studies.

Where as astrology doesn't have this privilege. It depends on classic books such as brihat parasara hora sastra.

For astrology to be called science it has to pass the test of accuracy with a huge pool of statistical data.
When a astrologer looks at a chart with particular combination then he should be able to predict confidently and how could he do that? He could only do that if he knows that there are at least 10000 such cases with similar combination giving so and so results.

So i would like to Separate astrology and science.

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Gs
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hi guys,
I need to make a point here..... i am not sure what it will sound like but anyways....
I have seen numerous discussions and a few arguments on the topic, "Is astrology a science or what?"
My opinion on the matter is, what difference would it make?
What good would it do to astrology, to the students of astrology or to the followers of astrology?
Frankly, it doesnt matter to me whether astrology is a science or not.
Believers will always be believers and skeptics will always be skeptics regardless of the fact whether Astrology is a science or not.
The definition of the word Science was finalised(by people much less enlightened than our awesome seers) thousands of years after Jyoti-ish came around, so why waste your time trying to make Astrology live upto the definition of the word Science?
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[/quote]I myself could have used SCIENCE instead of Other predictive methods, But i chose not to.

Astrology cannot be seen in same light as SCIENCE.

For past 1year i have been searching for any data giving a statistical study on accuracy of predictive vedic astrology and i found none (kindly give me any links or articles if u know). At the same time i found many on western astrology.

We in India follow astrology out of belief and tradition and not because it is science and which it is not.

And now coming to your examples. What happened to you is quite common. The first task of a doctor is to diagnose the ailment and it totally depends on the ability of the individual doctor but not on medicine. Medicine works only when the diagnosis is right.

If doctors could not find the reason behind the symptoms then they lookup case studies, consult various other doctors and they try to come to conclusion. For this they have huge archives of materials and previous case studies.

Where as astrology doesn't have this privilege. It depends on classic books such as brihat parasara hora sastra.

For astrology to be called science it has to pass the test of accuracy with a huge pool of statistical data.
When a astrologer looks at a chart with particular combination then he should be able to predict confidently and how could he do that? He could only do that if he knows that there are at least 10000 such cases with similar combination giving so and so results.

So i would like to Separate astrology and science.

Regards,
Gs
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Hey Gs !!

Count me not on either side to prove vedic astrology science or else.

But interesting I find is your search (duration 1) year which lead u to find no statistical data on VA but a lot in Western.   I hope you will surely share those links with us for our better understanding.

If sciences are to be defined based on mere accuracy or pool of some statistical data .. then perhaps we might even agree the all what termed as science today still provides no accuracy  though provides statistical data but of no use.  The world still struggles  how to define Singularity as current day physics is inept to define it.

A Jyotish  need not see 1000 charts to  predict something confidently  as long he is confident in his understanding of basics of jyotish shastra laid by BPHS.  Its we the lesser mortals who  are not confident in our learning hence rely on statistical data.  

Statistical data can only be a guideline (at the most ) but cannot be a dictum in itself. Instead of searching for data  you could have created it your self. Take 1000 charts find common yogas and cross check them.  

I hope you do not mind me barging in and diverting the KSY or KAY topic.

warmly
Asro
 
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Hey guys,

Here we need not worry about proving astrology (science or not). we should be looking for data and studying the results because new doshas like kala sarpa have come (jst an eg).

Now Asro ji how would you validate this dosha since it is not there in BPHS.

1. one you could strike off the dosha saying its irrelevant because its not there in BPHS.
2. two you could do actual research collect data and then learn the results.

Validation is very important process and without solid research you cannot develop faith in your predictions.

Now i being curios about kalasarpa dosha would do some research learn certain things get the answers required and then move on. I would share my opinions in this forum and thats it. A year later someone else would start the research and arrive at may be similar or different conclusion and he will move on. Now how great it would be for future learners if we both actually document our results and make it publicly available so that some one else could start from where we left off.

Now at this moment astrology has many followers with their own schools of thoughts. There is no clear consensus on many matters though fundamentals are same. I could get 3 different answers from 3 different people abt the same query. Many astrologers include ur, ne and Pluto in their interpretations even though they are not mentioned in BPHS.

So rather than worrying about science or not we should worry abt accuracy of predictions and this could be achieved only through repeated validation.

Any how i could go on. Let me stop here and divert ur attention to a query posted by someone abt kala sarpa dosha in  sub forum. I already posted a comment kindly learned astrologers give ur opinions.

Regards,
Gs
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