Dea Arian,

You Guruji was right, I am sure.

What else is left for free will/remains for free will?.... Just wondering?

RishiRahul

A lot...
Lets begin with Character, Courage, Morals, Ethics, behavior, Friendships, Enmities...
Dealing with success, dealing with failures....
Choosing to work hard or let the Pseudo-Fate dictate your life...
It is probably more important to believe in Karma than to believe in fate..

Hi Sahil,
Nice to see you back (whenevr u com back )
As far as i remember chanduabi had started a thread regarding freewill and destiny.
Where he talked about freewill and destiny to be part of each and NOT 2 separete things.

Kindly go thru it .. m sure u will find it to be much ore clear than any other explanation.
Offcourse we all r suppose to have different outlook towards life but i find it to be better
and more objective in its uderstanding

Regards,
Raman

If no FREE WILL was present;

Then you would never feel confused
then you never need explanation on anything..because you had no choice to do anything but the right thing.
Then you never need to envy another person
Then you never had to struggle for power
Then we could lay down our legal system, because we was bound to do thing..and none could judge us.


Then Every Living Soul Had To Be A Robot, With Path And Destination Laid, And None Of Us Need To Feel Anger Toward An Old Admin That Has Got A Path, To Tell About Free Will, Which Not Exist, And I Wonder What Meaning The Creator Must Have Doing Such A Thing!

What Is The Meaning With Such A Life?

It is the "Free will" that make the life worth living.
It is the free will that make each and one of us exciting and unpredictable, and unique.
It is your Free will that's make you believe that you have no free will, even if you use it daily...to choose what to have to dinner, to go to movie, to stop and talk, or just pass, to take left instead of right...to give a present or to say NO I will give no more......and lots more...life..

If a free will exist, then it must exist over all....there can't be used from some chosen who have it...it must be present in all...because else it will destroy, or interfere with the path laid for those who have no free will.

The belief that says you have NO FREE WILL is a dangerous belief, because it creates souls that are confused, it creates souls that are asking for directions instead of looking for directions, it takes away the personal initiative, and let the belief itself lead the way....DANGEROUS!

Nicely composed post Sir Rhuto...
Hey Raman, I couldn't find that thread by CD, can you plz post a link here... thanks already....
Meanwhile I am copying and pasting something here from Wikipedia...something that makes a lot of sense to me...

"
A quotation from Swami Vivekananda, a Vedantist, offers a good example of the worry about free will in the Hindu tradition.

   Therefore we see at once that there cannot be any such thing as free-will; the very words are a contradiction, because will is what we know, and everything that we know is within our universe, and everything within our universe is moulded by conditions of time, space and causality. ... To acquire freedom we have to get beyond the limitations of this universe; it cannot be found here.

However, the preceding quote has often been misinterpreted as Vivekananda implying that everything is predetermined. What Vivekananda actually meant by lack of free will was that the will was not "free" because it was heavily influenced by the law of cause and effect – "The will is not free, it is a phenomenon bound by cause and effect, but there is something behind the will which is free." Vivekananda never said things were absolutely determined and placed emphasis on the power of conscious choice to alter one's past Karma: "It is the coward and the fool who says this is his fate. But it is the strong man who stands up and says I will make my own fate."

Similarly, Vivekananda's teacher Ramakrishna Paramahansa, using an analogy said that man is like a cow tied to a pole with a rope - the karmic debts and human nature bind him and the amount of free will he has is analogous to the amount of freedom the rope allows; as one progresses spiritually , the rope becomes longer.

Mimamsa, Vedanta, and the more theistic versions of Hinduism such as Shaivism and Vaishnavism, have often emphasized the importance of free will. The doctrine of Karma in Hinduism requires both that we pay for our actions in the past, and that our actions in the present be free enough to allow us to deserve the future reward or punishment that we will receive for our present actions."