MAYA vs SATYA both foot-less?, Mysticism, reading, forums, Numerology, Sun Signs, Divination

Posts: 711 · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:28 am

rohiniranjan wrote:

projenator wrote:

Cannot appreciate enough your time and effort in writing these detailed posts. Must read for every reading seeker and a keeper for astrologers, whatever level to be used as a prelude to readings.

thanks and regards,

No, *Thank YOU Projjwal!*
The gift of time is the only gift I can give and I am grateful to MA for gifting and allowing me that treasure all this time ...

AS to 'effort', it is effortless actually and comes packaged naturally with the gift ...

RohiniRANTgen

BTW, I really liked you mentioning "Aantel" in that post, I couldn't help but smile, I haven't used that or seen anyone use that for long, so it felt nice.

Posts: 10719 · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:57 am

rohiniranjan wrote:

The failures of astrology are not necessarily due to the misreading of the astrologer but the freedom of choice expressed by the nativity. This takes a lot of effort but can be done of course, as Yogananda said in his Autobiography.

You are right...I used You as Astrologer and not you as you

There you see....we can agree on something after all.....the bold thing is my whole statement.....if there is any freedom...then we can't predict with direct statement, but more with recommendation and suggestions...advices and so on,which I have no problem to accept.

The way I and maybe other "Aantels"(used to please even more

) understand the way Vedic Readings are given, is as statement... this is your path....and as I as native, to your way of thinking, would take as law...just like any strong believer in any Religion take God's word as law, even if it is different from Religion to Religion.

We must also agree that if the Star constellation have an impact on every believer, then it must also have impact on every non believer, and if so, both believer and none believer can be put up against each other, and one can draw one conclusion, where believers must show a clear benefit, if not....maybe personal freedom are the most important factor after all, or since the Astrology control our life, it doesn't matter if we know it or not, it will happen anyway...believer or non believer.

And YES...none believers will experience problems, and frustrations too....but in a way that is not the issue....it is because of our need to feel success....to be a part of an ever growing society...to feel loved...in short..to be a human.

Posts: 4316 · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:47 pm

Rhutobello wrote:

rohiniranjan wrote:

The failures of astrology are not necessarily due to the misreading of the astrologer but the freedom of choice expressed by the nativity. This takes a lot of effort but can be done of course, as Yogananda said in his Autobiography.

You are right...I used You as Astrologer and not you as you

There you see....we can agree on something after all.....the bold thing is my whole statement.....if there is any freedom...then we can't predict with direct statement, but more with recommendation and suggestions...advices and so on,which I have no problem to accept.

The way I and maybe other "Aantels"(used to please even more

) understand the way Vedic Readings are given, is as statement... this is your path....and as I as native, to your way of thinking, would take as law...just like any strong believer in any Religion take God's word as law, even if it is different from Religion to Religion.

We must also agree that if the Star constellation have an impact on every believer, then it must also have impact on every non believer, and if so, both believer and none believer can be put up against each other, and one can draw one conclusion, where believers must show a clear benefit, if not....maybe personal freedom are the most important factor after all, or since the Astrology control our life, it doesn't matter if we know it or not, it will happen anyway...believer or non believer.

And YES...none believers will experience problems, and frustrations too....but in a way that is not the issue....it is because of our need to feel success....to be a part of an ever growing society...to feel loved...in short..to be a human.

I liked your experimental design but unfortunately it is not that black and white and so would be difficult to prove or disprove. I have discussed that and written about it so many times but maybe people did not connect to it or don't care or whatever

When I started for a little while I too had this total faith in the concreteness of astrological rules. Fortunately for me, I was always a believer of studying charts as opposed to just reading books and feeling good! Pretty soon it was obvious that it was a complex thing, this HUMAN EXPERIENCE and each individual still remains an individual despite convenient clustering and grouping that astros do. He is a leo, she is a scorpio, he is a jupiter in 7, she is a saturn rising etc etc many possibilities exist.

I realize what you are saying and you may have seen some astrologers who propagate this "destiny is absolute" dogma but maybe they did experience that in their practice and maybe in some clients that may indeed be the case.

This can go on and on because both of us have tonnes of time on our hands but we may be making some youngsters a bit upset by our gift of the gab!!

RR

Posts: 356 · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:24 am

rohiniranjan wrote:

Since as we speak the building that I am guarding is safe and no rioting is expected, as a consequence I have tonnes of time on my hands and rather than watch TV while waiting for an emergency, I might as well spend my time wisely and usefully as I always do: Doing astrology with my head held high and my heart in the right place

You make some good points and I am careful and sensitive about that as noted several times over the years in what I have written and posted and that I have received as a positive feedback from my clients and when I was teaching, from my students.

But you have taken a very black and white kind of view on reality. You are assuming that everyone is really approaching the astrologer in awe and with full faith and what he or she says is going to change their path drastically. In some cases yes in others maybe in still others 'no!'. The latter in particular are the people who approach an astrologer because they want to hear what they think is right! These are the ones who hop from one astrologer to the other and some even fish in many ponds/forums at the same time and collect the different opinions, until they find the one that tells them what they want to hear! Not all of these are free-loaders and some actually buy readings and then end up confused with the multiple opinions.

You are also assuming that all individuals have a black and white path ahead of them. Most actually have a grey path and have several options ahead of them. Astrology, just like any other counselling can be utilized for projecting the probability of each option over time and a tool to help the individual make the selection. And I am NOT talking here about the new trend of 'fixing the destiny' through remedials and so on which has become a big thing these days because of a variety of reasons into which let us not go into in a public forum full of sensitive people!

So while your points are valid, they are applicable to some people and not true generally. That said, each astrologer must really gauge each individual nativity and not use the sledge-hammer approach that I have seen on many forums where readings are give often by tired, overworked, somewhat frustrated volunteers who do this for a variety of reasons and not necessarily for a personal benefit. Again, not a topic for public forum discussion.

The most important, in my personal view is the one where the astrologer is giving predictions like, "You will pass in the first division" or 'you will fail' to a young person. There are ways in which the message can be transmitted by a wise and experienced human being (who also happens to be an astrologer!) without taking away that sense of initiative and personal responsibility to study and work hard. That is where the 'communication' part comes into play in the skill-set required by an astrologer who is also counselling someone sensitive and vulnerable and nubile (regardless of age!).

All of this cannot be learned from a book or from forum readings but through long and direct experience with life -- in all its levels and possibilities...

There seems to be some commotion in the fifth floor, in one of the suites. Duty calls ... BRB!

RR

The best I have ever heard and personally believed forever.

Thank you for your valuable time and thoughts.

Regards
MJ

Posts: 4316 · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:58 am

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Thank you soul search for your soothing words! Ant was being chased and attempted to be stomped over by heavy weights and beginning to wonder if he entered the wrong CAGE or even the WRONG ZOO :-(

I love to run up the trunks and give shurshuri but would rather fly out of the circus canon that sneezes than be crushed into the ground by a heavy pachyderm... <OH SIGH!> :-(

RR