Hello All,
 I thank you for all of your replies. I appreciate each of your opinions, but yes, as Chandji said, i was looking for more of an analysis based on experiences by the astrologers, as i obviously know well that suffering is a part of life, working of past sins and all that. I also have a good relationship with God, so yes i do know that He heals and protects. And yes Rohiniji, i might be contradicting myself, i am just confused and really was looking for experiences from the likes of you and Rishiji. Offcourse Ramanji and Nandiniji
and others who replied, i appreciate your feedback.
 I suppose i am trying to make sense of the divorces that are happening in India in arranged marriages, where kundlis are matched, yet one was not able to predict either the marriage ending or the spoiled relationship between the couple. And what boggles my mind is the case of those where the bride or groom dies within a year of marriage, and not a single jyotishi being able to predict that. I  value astrology very much so. It has helped me find answers, but as you know, the more answers you get, the more questions arise. By the way, the article was a very interesting read Ramanji. Thank you for providing it.
 Chandji, you know well, i value your frankness. Maybe when time allows it, you can let us know if u and ur wife's charts were matched, and if so, howcome they failed to see the obvious suffering that you would encounter.I hope i have not offended you, i am just truly interested in this science, and while i cannot make sense of it's calculations and things, i am trying my level best to understand why it works, and why it doesn't in some cases.
 Rishji, i was waiting for your views definately, as you have probably seen thousands of charts and must know well the statistics of the predictions. I agree 100% abt the communication skills of the astrologer, as i myself in the past have encountered one astrologer whose mercury was very weak.
I diagnosed him thus. He simply could not put in simple words what he saw in my chart.
 Anyway thank you all for ur views.

[quote="Jhanvi"]Hello All,
 I thank you for all of your replies. I appreciate each of your opinions, but yes, as Chandji said, i was looking for more of an analysis based on experiences by the astrologers, as i obviously know well that suffering is a part of life, working of past sins and all that. I also have a good relationship with God, so yes i do know that He heals and protects. And yes Rohiniji, i might be contradicting myself, i am just confused and really was looking for experiences from the likes of you and Rishiji. Offcourse Ramanji and Nandiniji
and others who replied, i appreciate your feedback.
 I suppose i am trying to make sense of the divorces that are happening in India in arranged marriages, where kundlis are matched, yet one was not able to predict either the marriage ending or the spoiled relationship between the couple. And what boggles my mind is the case of those where the bride or groom dies within a year of marriage, and not a single jyotishi being able to predict that. I  value astrology very much so. It has helped me find answers, but as you know, the more answers you get, the more questions arise. By the way, the article was a very interesting read Ramanji. Thank you for providing it.
 Chandji, you know well, i value your frankness. Maybe when time allows it, you can let us know if u and ur wife's charts were matched, and if so, howcome they failed to see the obvious suffering that you would encounter.I hope i have not offended you, i am just truly interested in this science, and while i cannot make sense of it's calculations and things, i am trying my level best to understand why it works, and why it doesn't in some cases.
 Rishji, i was waiting for your views definately, as you have probably seen thousands of charts and must know well the statistics of the predictions. I agree 100% abt the communication skills of the astrologer, as i myself in the past have encountered one astrologer whose mercury was very weak.
I diagnosed him thus. He simply could not put in simple words what he saw in my chart.
 Anyway thank you all for ur views.[/quote]


Dear Jahnvi,

Thanks for responding. Without hogging the platform or stealing the thunder from others, one brief comment, if I may so make! You did not elaborate on what exactly was matched in this sample of charts who were matched but ended up in divorce so readily but if it was simple matching  (melapak) then you should question sincerely if it is as solid a system of predicting matched relationships as it is claimed to be.

You see astrology is like an edifice. Just because one of its walls or sections is hurriedly put together and is weak does not mean that the rest is too or its foundation is. This edifice has been built long ago and renovated many times and so on.

Also be wary of any stats that are proferred. Ask to look for raw data if possible or at least probe a bit more and do not assume things on their face value.

Also, as you research more yourself and deeper, you will find many more grey answers and fewer black and white answers, as some modern jyotishis tend to claim and push ...

If it was that black and white, Amazing Randy would have lost his million many times over ...!

Love, Light, Levity ...

Hi Jhanvi,

Thank you for understading the actuals.

See, the horoscope/chart matching thing does not in ANY WAY predict the fate of a marriage, but ONLY suggests compatibility results between 2 charts, provided the other factors are constant and cogenial, or, connstantly congenial.

I have not yet read Chandji's explanation as you were mentioning above.

I have not yet thousands of charts. Reading thousands of charts are not necessary for arriving at better conclusions is my belief, but 'could' act to confuse. Mind you,I said that it COULD act as a problem, cosidering that I am nearing 50 in age and have covered 2 thirds of my lifetime probably.
If by now I have researched with even a thousand horoscopes properly and meaningfully, there would not have been much time left to have performed other duties/karma amply, which would have resulted in not a balanced mind in harmony with the heart, attracted aggression and frustration.

There again the communications skills are required. Again a person blessed with communication skills is required to do it consistently; or else the value of his skills diminish.

RishiRahul

Hello All,
 Thanks again for replying. Rohiniji, i never evaluated charts, and i don't know anything abt astrology. I just wonder like most people do, why kundli matching doesn't reveal divorces, death etc. Rishiji, ur views are paramount, as they say ur the best of them here. My question to you is that if a couple comes to you, for compatibility...horoscope-matching, would you be able to see if the match,(outside of gunas), will survive...or end in divorce. I mean, would YOU, as an astrologer, be able to predict by looking at their charts..??
I understand that no one is 100% correct, but looking at each of their charts, would you be able to say with promise that a marriage will succeed or fail??
You said that kundli-matching doesn't tell fate of marriage....so how is it that you astrologers can tell....or can you?? Can you tell by looking at my chart if i will have one marriage or two. I understand different softwares are used for kundli-matching and for a thorough analysis of an individual chart. But i guess my question is mainly for astrologers like urself, i am wondering with how much accuracy can you tell if a marriage will fail or succeed. And is it fair for an astrologer to deduce that a marriage will last simply by looking at the individual's chart, without checking the spouces'??
 I know this guy, a very good astrologer, with bad communication skills. He is pretty right on abt alot of things and very confident. He looked at my friend Meena's chart(and not of hubby's) and said that he can say with 100% accuracy that her marriage will last. He said his skills are so good that he only needs one chart to see if marriage will fail or last. Is this correct sir? He mentioned her marriage having taken place during some moon antra, so her marriage will last. Offcourse he didn't know that the marriage is undergoing turbulence, and might break. So i am asking this with complete respect to you and the science, and i don't want to confuse anybody here. I just want to know, can an astrologer like urself, predict divorce, remarriage. And have you ever been wrong?

[quote="Jhanvi"]Hello All,
 Thanks again for replying. Rohiniji, i never evaluated charts, and i don't know anything abt astrology. I just wonder like most people do, why kundli matching doesn't reveal divorces, death etc. ...[/quote]

Jhanvi ji,

I shall try to answer the part of your posting addressed to me, hence editing out the rest from the quote. Hope that is okay with you.

Your questions are very valid and particularly important in today's rather competitive environment which seems to have embraced jyotish (at least the commercial aspects -- professionals who do jyotish for a living), it is perfectly valid to ask a jyotishi these. It is true that one would not similarly ask their doctor for a guarantee (which you will not get anyway!) but their education and training is more standardized and controlled than a jyotishi's and there can be lot of variations and variabilities.

That said, I must touch upon certain things that were apparent from your post. Your reference to jyotish as science and an underlying belief that somehow Jyotish is a uniform discipline and the techniques are standard. This is certainly not the case, on both counts, please trust me Jyotish is an interpretation of symbols. As a friend put it, Astronomy tells us what is out there, while astrology tells us what that means. Interpretation being an important component, no two astrologers will interpret the chart in the same way. Why astrologers, if you even look at the indications given for a certain planet in a certain house or certain sign, in different books, even classics which we are told were written in purer times, you will find big differences. The same <different heads different interpretations> phenomenon are working again.

Some jyotishis take it as a personal offence if one were to suggest that intuition plays a role in their astro-delineations. Intuition is a very human faculty, a gestalt-like function of the brain and astrology taps into this wholistic type of brain activity which involves not only linear logic but also paralogical abilities.

The above is not all that far fetched. Even when you are reading this message, you are doing it transparently and are not reading individual letters or words or the grammar rules and so on. You are almost instantly recognizing patterns and your brain is doing many different types of processing only a few of which are basic, logical type operations. Much of the rest is not even known. How then can we assume that astrological interpretation or delineation (I like that better) is linear or logical only.

Anyway, did not want to write too much because you may not be interested in all this information, but hopefully someone will be helped by my post.

Love, Light, Levity ...