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Re: A reading but a lesson also ...
rohiniranjan


Age: 57
Zodiac:
Sagittarius



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 3197

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[quote="ChanDubai"]Dear Sir,

I can't see your earlier post which suddenly disappeared where u asked me to read carefully what you have written about Jupiter..

Hence i am replying to your previous post...

Regarding my seriousness about astrology i can say and again when i replyed to your good analysis with seeking some more insights with eagerness ONLY..i have not critised your analysis i may be or was wrong in using Ramans Ayanmsa or took it up in a hurry i agree...i have no hesitation in accepting my mistakes... AND i can not compare my Astro Knowledge with you and or with many learned people out here i know a fraction of fractions in astrology and i am studying...Ok...

I read and understood about what you have written about Jupiter in your last paragraph...

BUT can't understand (NOT CONFUSED) why you mentioned like this:

Quote

When you say:

Jupiter is there for quite a few years more, there is still time to mend matters in the large picture. [b]It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.[/b]

And same time you advise the NATIVE as follows:

If the nativity were to ask me, I would advice the following:

Fasting on saturdays
Serving an elder or teacher
Voluntary service to an organization that looks after children, orphans or disabled old people.
Truly serving some religious cause and practicing spirituality himself.
And above all, doing this while moving away from self as much as possible, with true seriousness!

Unquote

So then WHY THE NATIVE SHOULD FOLLOW YOUR ADVICE? When you clearly mentioned [b]It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.[/b]

Do you care to clarify this?

Regards

ChanDubai


[quote="rohiniranjan"]Jupiter the atmakaraka is weak in shadbala, vimshopaka, dignity and in other ways. Dasha of atmakaraka brings humility and makes one face certain areas in one's karma. Jupiter is about dharma and it is about arrogance and about rigid belief in oneself and one's principle particularly when atmakaraka. Only the nativity will be able to introspect and see how much that was a factor in the break-up and given that it is badhaksthana the realization will come not too readily or with openness. Jupiter also represents wisdom and piety and dharmic leanings and that was supposed to be the disguised blessing of this difficult experience. Jupiter is there for quite a few years more, there is still time to mend matters in the large picture. It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.

If the nativity were to ask me, I would advice the following:

Fasting on saturdays
Serving an elder or teacher
Voluntary service to an organization that looks after children, orphans or disabled old people.
Truly serving some religious cause and practicing spirituality himself.
And above all, doing this while moving away from self as much as possible, with true seriousness!

The situation may influence one's work if it has not started already between now and until 2010.[/quote][/quote][/quote]



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Dear Sir,

You don't need to follow any of the advice I gave to the 'nativity' because you are not the nativity as described for which the reading was given!

I am surprised that you are so interested in the reading to question it but that just tells me that you are not desperate and life is fine. And not as perplexing and miserable as the *nativity* described his to be!
Re: A reading but a lesson also ...
ChanDubai


Age: 35
Zodiac:
Aquarius



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 425
Location: Man Made Island
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Dear Sir,


I Re-phrase my question:

For WHAT Purpose YOU advice/adviced the NATIVE with your below comments?

//Fasting on saturdays
Serving an elder or teacher
Voluntary service to an organization that looks after children, orphans or disabled old people.
Truly serving some religious cause and practicing spirituality himself.
And above all, doing this while moving away from self as much as possible, with true seriousness!//

Regards

ChanDubai


rohiniranjan wrote:
ChanDubai wrote:
Dear Sir,

I can't see your earlier post which suddenly disappeared where u asked me to read carefully what you have written about Jupiter..

Hence i am replying to your previous post...

Regarding my seriousness about astrology i can say and again when i replyed to your good analysis with seeking some more insights with eagerness ONLY..i have not critised your analysis i may be or was wrong in using Ramans Ayanmsa or took it up in a hurry i agree...i have no hesitation in accepting my mistakes... AND i can not compare my Astro Knowledge with you and or with many learned people out here i know a fraction of fractions in astrology and i am studying...Ok...

I read and understood about what you have written about Jupiter in your last paragraph...

BUT can't understand (NOT CONFUSED) why you mentioned like this:

Quote

When you say:

Jupiter is there for quite a few years more, there is still time to mend matters in the large picture. It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.

And same time you advise the NATIVE as follows:

If the nativity were to ask me, I would advice the following:

Fasting on saturdays
Serving an elder or teacher
Voluntary service to an organization that looks after children, orphans or disabled old people.
Truly serving some religious cause and practicing spirituality himself.
And above all, doing this while moving away from self as much as possible, with true seriousness!

Unquote

So then WHY THE NATIVE SHOULD FOLLOW YOUR ADVICE? When you clearly mentioned It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.

Do you care to clarify this?

Regards

ChanDubai


rohiniranjan wrote:
Jupiter the atmakaraka is weak in shadbala, vimshopaka, dignity and in other ways. Dasha of atmakaraka brings humility and makes one face certain areas in one's karma. Jupiter is about dharma and it is about arrogance and about rigid belief in oneself and one's principle particularly when atmakaraka. Only the nativity will be able to introspect and see how much that was a factor in the break-up and given that it is badhaksthana the realization will come not too readily or with openness. Jupiter also represents wisdom and piety and dharmic leanings and that was supposed to be the disguised blessing of this difficult experience. Jupiter is there for quite a few years more, there is still time to mend matters in the large picture. It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.

If the nativity were to ask me, I would advice the following:

Fasting on saturdays
Serving an elder or teacher
Voluntary service to an organization that looks after children, orphans or disabled old people.
Truly serving some religious cause and practicing spirituality himself.
And above all, doing this while moving away from self as much as possible, with true seriousness!

The situation may influence one's work if it has not started already between now and until 2010.




********************************************
Dear Sir,

You don't need to follow any of the advice I gave to the 'nativity' because you are not the nativity as described for which the reading was given!

I am surprised that you are so interested in the reading to question it but that just tells me that you are not desperate and life is fine. And not as perplexing and miserable as the *nativity* described his to be![/quote]
Re: A reading but a lesson also ...
rohiniranjan


Age: 57
Zodiac:
Sagittarius



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 3197

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[quote="ChanDubai"]I read and understood about what you have written about Jupiter in your last paragraph...

BUT can't understand (NOT CONFUSED) why you mentioned like this:

Quote

When you say:

Jupiter is there for quite a few years more, there is still time to mend matters in the large picture. [b]It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.[/b]

And same time you advise the NATIVE as follows:

If the nativity were to ask me, I would advice the following:

Fasting on saturdays
Serving an elder or teacher
Voluntary service to an organization that looks after children, orphans or disabled old people.
Truly serving some religious cause and practicing spirituality himself.
And above all, doing this while moving away from self as much as possible, with true seriousness!

Unquote

So then WHY THE NATIVE SHOULD FOLLOW YOUR ADVICE? When you clearly mentioned [b]It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.[/b]

Do you care to clarify this?

Regards

ChanDubai


[quote="rohiniranjan"]Jupiter the atmakaraka is weak in shadbala, vimshopaka, dignity and in other ways. Dasha of atmakaraka brings humility and makes one face certain areas in one's karma. Jupiter is about dharma and it is about arrogance and about rigid belief in oneself and one's principle particularly when atmakaraka. Only the nativity will be able to introspect and see how much that was a factor in the break-up and given that it is badhaksthana the realization will come not too readily or with openness. Jupiter also represents wisdom and piety and dharmic leanings and that was supposed to be the disguised blessing of this difficult experience. Jupiter is there for quite a few years more, there is still time to mend matters in the large picture. It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.

If the nativity were to ask me, I would advice the following:

Fasting on saturdays
Serving an elder or teacher
Voluntary service to an organization that looks after children, orphans or disabled old people.
Truly serving some religious cause and practicing spirituality himself.
And above all, doing this while moving away from self as much as possible, with true seriousness!

The situation may influence one's work if it has not started already between now and until 2010.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
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Dear Sir,

What I meant was that you still have several years of jupiter dasha left. The dasha has the purpose of elevating spiritually when ultimately it hands you to the care of Saturn dasha. As I indicated, jupiter is not very comfortably placed, has certain negative attributes and thus must be paid heed to. It is in the sign of an enemy has low vimshopak bal and is in negative awasthas (3,5,9) but is in shubha D-60 segment and in Aw12. Hence through sacrifice it has hope. I was not focusing on just your marriage but your spiritual growth which was the basic purpose of your going through the negative experience (the break in marriage I was refering to was based on the date you gave when your wife walked out). It was just a corroboration and not a big deal and certainly did not mean divorce or something like that -- which you had asked from me privately and I could not respond 'then' and so was trying to give my viewpoint if not a reading here but perhaps timing was right because it was not received positively by you and hence this long thread. I did not do a horary as I generally do and look at the consequences

Please do not think me as insensitive or one trying to give you more pain. I am sure you have enough stuff to take care of as is.

The reason I recommended the remedies was because based on my view-portal (R-29 min etc that I keep repeating and yet people presume that the entire world uses Lahiri-365 etc) were:

Saturn is final dispositor of jupiter
Jupiter is in saturn's rashi which in turn is with gulika in the 3rd (efforts)
Saturn is afflicting venus (L7 etc) in D9
DK rahu is in the 8th and in vicious state (does not own aquarius) and is in saturn's nakshatra thus will give saturn's effect.
Saturn is in exaltation in D-60 in kendra from rahu and in 12th from current dasha lord which is placed in 6th with moon in vrischica. Saturn therefore overall has the 'potential' for bringing about positive effects and is associated with marriage-related indicators. Saturn is also lord of 8 and 11 in D-60 and again, *capable* of bringing about solace through personal efforts (saturn in D1 in 3rd across from mars).

Hence the fast, penance and serving those represented by Jupiter!

What is not obvious, the ant wonders?

Please note that you are perfectly free to trust what my analysis and approach shows particularly because you are perhaps committed to other view-ports (ayanamsha etc), and would not be able to see the horoscope in similar light and sadly  I cannot help there. I hope you understand!

That said, I must reiterate that I have been amazed by something that is incredible. I am not saying that other view-portals are wrong. There seems to be a mysterious "tolerance" and 'play' in the system of jyotish which does not show its weakness but rather its strength. Many roads lead to the same goal and conclusion. The explanations will be different and so on. It used to bother me when I was in the same "astrology is a science" boat. What can I say? One grows up as experience accumulates!

Please do not feel obliged to follow my advice if it is causing so much pain and consternation

Godspeed!
ChanDubai


Age: 35
Zodiac:
Aquarius



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 425
Location: Man Made Island
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Dear Sir,

Thank you for enlightening me with your detailed analysis and guidance..

Appreciate and value your time

You wrote:

//Please do not think me as insensitive or one trying to give you more pain. I am sure you have enough stuff to take care of as is.//

Certainly not Sir. In fact you only asked me openly and alrted me of the sensitivity of my query and gave me the liberty to ask either Pvt or Public on the public forum and at the same time i understood how sensitive you are. and respected your kind advise.

Thank you once again

Regards

ChanDubai
Odd wayw of thinkilg...
gyp65


Age: 38
Zodiac:
Aries



Joined: 22 Jul 2009
Posts: 1
Location: USA
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I have a question which can not be in the questions forum... because its odd.
I do not intend this to be in any way a deswcussion regarding balief structures or religiouse doctrines. Those things are your busineszs and right. As are mine, mine.
It started with a simple radio advertisement: " That tree's grow fruit that is just right for eating."
I could not agree. I see thiqs from the other direction. "That humanity has grown to enjoy the reproductive organs of plants."
OK, I see its pedantic and even foolish. But the way we look at thingls is important if its the truth you are looking for. Are we being dumbed down ? I might be wrong... Not like it would be the first time. Ohit looks silly now its been said.
Elsewhere in these pages I have been party to discussions of time travel. Realising that those discussions are partly to blame for this set of strange thinking. I can not see or understand how seemingly intelligent people can think it could ever be a possible outcome. A well reasoned response will be read and eccepted as a point of view that is different to mine. Thats ecceptable. , and expected. I await a response.
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