[quote="sasisekaran"]dear Shri.Rohiniranjan.

thanks for the info.  

for an ayanamsa of 58 min less than
that of lahari, the placements mentioned in your previous
mails occur.

i have not taken anything personal.  it is all jyothish.

may mother bless all,

regards

sasisekaran[/quote]


Thanks for your august endorsement and confirmation of my software's calculations, dear SS!

I may now proceed fearlessly where few others have dared, I suppose!


'Granite' if the castles of jyotish were not made out of
They argue -- its body frail should've perished long ago
Such doldrums, hurricanes, storms and quacks hath it endured
Over millennia of torture, pillagings by strangers and those its own ...

However, they forget about the core of this matter...
Like the Human Experience, Jyotish too has a body
The flesh may have been tortured, torn and even decayed over time
But the skeleton, the 'core' preserved; flesh can be recreated again!

[quote="ChanDubai"]Dear Sri RohiniRanjan Ji,

Very good analysis and thank you for taking your valuable time out and explaining. Appreciate your efforts. In fact i do believe in TRUTH MUST BE TOLD and hence this my quest to unearth the TRUTH if it is clearly written in the kundali.

So started doing some Re-engineering/data mining by way of doing some study on D-60 i.e. going back to previous life chart to find the TRUTH if possible:-) Again GURUs here are there to help me..

I have some queries and asking you as a student and would be of great help if you can kindly answer the same.

Now I am using the Ramans ayanmsa (for study purpose) as you have mentioned, and i am unable to relate some of your comments/analysis..

You wrote:

//Perhaps D-60 may show us some redemption. Jupiter the AK is placed in 6th with moon in debility and happens to be again the lord of 7th. Gulika is in D-60 ascendant. Negativity.//

I am getting D-60 Lagna as Cancer is it correct as per your s/w? if i assume (since your other planet's position and explaination fit) it is correct, then... Ju and Moon are placed in 6th (as you also mentioned in your above comments) which is Sagg sign and Aspecting GK.(Rashi aspect)

GK is not in acendant it is in Gemini what i can see here am i rite?

How moon is in deblity?

//The window I am looking at this not cheery kaleidoscope shows the point of break-up in the dasha of JU-Ju-ve. Brings us back to the two in badhakasthana in D1.//

As per Ramans Ayanmsa (i.e. seeing from your window:-))

Marriage took place in Ju-Ju-Me-Ra-Ju PAD 19th Dec 2004

Lot of diff of opinions, stress were present during this period BUT the Marriage didn't break. Niether in Ju-Ju-Ve as you mentioned and even till today!

In fact a birth of a child (baby girl) took place during Ju-Ju-Mars-Rahu i.e. 14th Nov 2005

What is your analysis on Ju in Lagna as i read and even some classics also mentions that Ju in Lagna can counter and defeat a Million doshas present in the chart?

And i am sure you might have observed also my malific Lagnesh (D-1) is aspected by Jupiter through out the charts here in question i.e. Jupiter is aspecting Mars in D-1 D-9 and D-60. though he is weak What do u suggest or how do read this?  

Despite all you and other learned member's insights it is still a mystery for me as to how the things will unfold....till then all these good advises remedies from Gurus will be performed by me with due delgance!!

Thank you once again for your analysis

Regards

ChanDubai



[quote="rohiniranjan"]There are of course many windows through which the kaleidoscope of human experience can be studied and explained and depending on which window, peep-hole, port-hole one is looking in, the view may be different. Being the simple ant that I have always chosen to be, if patterns are not obvious and simple they are not helpful.

What can be simpler than rashi and navamsha when it comes to the lives of most of us simple individuals. So, in a mesha rising chart for instance, atmakaraka who owns dharmasthana and mokshasthana is placed with the lord of the 7th and 2nd (both marriage-related) who happens to be the natural karaka of marriage, venus [Pitrakaraka] are placed together in the badhaksthana and the planet ruling that place is placed in 3rd with gulika and aspected by malefic lagnesh (and matrikaraka), there is enough indicating that this area in life will become the soul-wringer for the nativity. The two parent-karakas getting involved in a negative framework indicates that that aspect would have to be addressed (whether parents from this lifetime or earlier pitris). Perhaps even in the current marriage there was not a full blessing or some other negativity as far as parents are concerned.

Is this enough? NO! We next look at the navamsha the chart associated with marriage bhagya. Jupiter the AK in D1 becomes the saptamesh in D9 and is placed in the D9 lagna while Venus is in D9 placed with SaR in 11th, Sa is in kendra from mars who is placed with gulika in D9-5th. Even if one uses exaltation debilitation in kundali there is negativity in this cancellation. Venus is not clean and benefic is what I am seeing here.

Perhaps D-60 may show us some redemption. Jupiter the AK is placed in 6th with moon in debility and happens to be again the lord of 7th. Gulika is in D-60 ascendant. Negativity.

Rahu is darakaraka in this chart and is in the 8th in D1, vargottama in the 6th in D9 (12th from 7th), and in D-60 it is in kendra from saturn. Vargottama planets express directly in a WYSIWYG manner -- in this case negative to the matters related to marriage etc.

The window I am looking at this not cheery kaleidoscope shows the point of break-up in the dasha of JU-Ju-ve. Brings us back to the two in badhakasthana in D1.


Jupiter the atmakaraka is weak in shadbala, vimshopaka, dignity and in other ways. Dasha of atmakaraka brings humility and makes one face certain areas in one's karma. Jupiter is about dharma and it is about arrogance and about rigid belief in oneself and one's principle particularly when atmakaraka. Only the nativity will be able to introspect and see how much that was a factor in the break-up and given that it is badhaksthana the realization will come not too readily or with openness. Jupiter also represents wisdom and piety and dharmic leanings and that was supposed to be the disguised blessing of this difficult experience. Jupiter is there for quite a few years more, there is still time to mend matters in the large picture. It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.

If the nativity were to ask me, I would advice the following:

Fasting on saturdays
Serving an elder or teacher
Voluntary service to an organization that looks after children, orphans or disabled old people.
Truly serving some religious cause and practicing spirituality himself.
And above all, doing this while moving away from self as much as possible, with true seriousness!

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Dear Sir,

When did I say that I used Raman's ayanamsha?

Reengineering is an interesting term! It gives the false sense of power or control of one's ability to go back and FIX what got broken for whatever reason!

Sometimes too much "engineering" is not the right approach to life! Sigh!!

You may have noticed that my posting was not addressed to you directly! For a good reason

Q.E.D. as geometry theorems end with if you recall!

Dear Mr. RohiniRanjan,

My apologies for adressing you......

I am taking back my comments..

No further comments from my side..

Thanks and best wishes

ChanDubai

[quote="rohiniranjan"][quote="ChanDubai"]Dear Sri RohiniRanjan Ji,


Dear Sir,

When did I say that I used Raman's ayanamsha?

You may have noticed that my posting was not addressed to you directly! For a good reason

It is truly SAD that individuals are not serious about astrology. They read a few articles here and there and even some of the practicing astrologers who have no real understanding of calculations and turn astrology into some kind of devotional exercise as opposed to a logical and experimental and experiential pursuit. There inadequate learning and understanding becomes apparent when they try to criticise hastily, even though some of them then relent for whatever reason.

Then there are those who use other people's understanding and 'logic' and quote that as proof for what they are trying to make a statement about! Even on cursory glance these URLs written by others and ill understood by the one who offers those as evidence against the work of others who have really spent time and seriously!

Jyotish, like many other similar demanding disciplines attracts intelligent people but when intelligence is aplenty it is diligence which will do the trick! And diligence involves actually spending time with the text and not making excuses or quickly skimming through online texts or questionable quality or reading every third word of some URL and then offering it as evidence for whatever someone is trying to make a case of.

Until sincerity and seriousness re-enters the jyotish scene as it prevails in science even though the latter may not be perfect -- please do not even dream that astrology will ever be in a position to sit on the same platform!

It is not Jyotish but its practitioners that need to work harder! And seriously and with sincerity!

Honestly!

Dear Sir,

I can't see your earlier post which suddenly disappeared where u asked me to read carefully what you have written about Jupiter..

Hence i am replying to your previous post...

Regarding my seriousness about astrology i can say and again when i replyed to your good analysis with seeking some more insights with eagerness ONLY..i have not critised your analysis i may be or was wrong in using Ramans Ayanmsa or took it up in a hurry i agree...i have no hesitation in accepting my mistakes... AND i can not compare my Astro Knowledge with you and or with many learned people out here i know a fraction of fractions in astrology and i am studying...Ok...

I read and understood about what you have written about Jupiter in your last paragraph...

BUT can't understand (NOT CONFUSED) why you mentioned like this:

Quote

When you say:

Jupiter is there for quite a few years more, there is still time to mend matters in the large picture. It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.

And same time you advise the NATIVE as follows:

If the nativity were to ask me, I would advice the following:

Fasting on saturdays
Serving an elder or teacher
Voluntary service to an organization that looks after children, orphans or disabled old people.
Truly serving some religious cause and practicing spirituality himself.
And above all, doing this while moving away from self as much as possible, with true seriousness!

Unquote

So then WHY THE NATIVE SHOULD FOLLOW YOUR ADVICE? When you clearly mentioned It will not be through reconcilliation of marriage or another liasion because the pattern may repeat, sadly speaking.

Do you care to clarify this?

Regards

ChanDubai


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