Proj,
I am absolutely convinced about the 2nd house being the house of luxury.

[quote="basab"]Rohiniranjanji,
Peace, definitely and I am also sorry for misunderstanding you. I agree that these forums can get people into a lot of misunderstandings. Anyway, I am happy that the misunderstanding that had been created has been finally resolved and that also in this forum so we can't blame it totally.

I agree that imagination should be used in analyzing charts but I believe the theories should be used flexibly only after one has gained a good grasp over it and not before that it's because otherwise there is every chance of wrongly using the theories instead of flexibly using them. That's why I try to use those theories flexibly which I know very well(sadly they are very few).

Talking about the 4th house being the house of luxury, well, I said that because I had read that in the author's note in the BPHS, even in one of the slokas in BPHS there is mention of the Chaturamsha(D-4 chart) as the house of fortune, so that also had made me believe that the 4th house is the house of luxuries. I have also read that the 7th house is the main house of pleasures and 7th being the 4th from the 4th(Bhavat Bhavam principle) so I had this feeling that the 4th house is also the house of pleasures as logically that's what it is indicating. But what you have said about the 2nd house is also logical and that definitely makes me feel that you are absolutely right about what you are saying. 2nd house definitely is the house of luxury.[/quote]

Dear Basab,

This will be my last post to you on this topic/matter because I do not want you to feel 'nagged'
I think I have still not been able to describe to you what I was intending, namely that luxury and happiness should not be equated as one and the same thing! Your reference to the 7th as bhavat bhavam to justify and mention of pleasures indicates that you still think luxuries AND pleasure/happiness/contentment (4th and its bhavatbhavam!) are one and the same thing! I think luxuries are different from these other things

Actually I have been the one who has been nagging  so I would like to bring an end to this discussion by saying this that I agree with you that 2nd house is the house of luxury and not the 4th house and thank you so much for explaining it to me and a big thanks for explaining the subtle difference between pleasures and luxury.

Thanks Srikant for explaining my request. Again sorry for the belated response, hoping that you do not take my late reply as rude.

Regrding the badhaka lord for chara lagna, being adverse, somehow I beg to differ... my experience that is.

When badhak lord is aspected by a malefic, it could/will be adverse. Yes and true. But why?.....Probably not due to the its badhak quality, but due its aspect by a malefic. Why blame badhak here?

For a planet in the 11th. house it will give Badhaka effects for chara lagna's. Yes.

Again what is badhaka? Obstruction should be the answer. A badhaka lord obstructs less. A planet in a badhak house obstructs more. So the difference is marinal and more,respectively.

How much it obstructs should depend upon the strength of the badhaka. Whether the results are achieved at all or not can be guaged by the  relevant amsas in consideration and the nakshatras and subs it is placed in.

Regarding your point number 3 you are very correct in theory and logic.
But can one deny that it could also give the best of money too sometimes? Of course it come with high expenditures or followed by high expenditures.Wonder how we guage that?

What I would like to add......is..That if we see Badhaka; or 11th. house as Badhaka,with the exclusion of other systems and ways, we come to grief in terms of predictions sometimes.

Thanks for such thought provoking thoughts, Srikantji.

RishiRahul

[quote="RishiRahul"][quote="shrikant9"]Rishi Rahul ji, Rohiniranjanji and dear Basab,
   Thank you very much for your appreciation. Rishi Rahul ji wanted to know more about point 3and4.
1. First of all, I will discuss about point 3.I have seen in my experience that, for chara lagna natives the 11th house does not offer good results. The planet signifying any matter, if, occupies 11thhouse or associated with lord of 11th, or aspected by lord of 11th, does not give good results, because it creates obstruction or badha to the house matters, signified by that planet. For example, suppose lord of 4th occupies 11th house a badhakasthana.Normally one will assume from this position that  there will be house acquisition, success in exam, purchase of vehicle or gain through lands etc.but in actual practice, I have seen that this generally  does not happens, may be  due to badhaka lord’s (11th lord) association or  its aspect. This is my personal view. In this case 11th house lord of Chara lagna should be propitiated.
2. Dasa result of 11th house depends on planets posited in it, the planet aspecting it, and placement of lord of 11th house and its strength. I mean to say, that the planet posited in 11th house will give its result according to its ownership, whenever its dasa/bhukti runs. For ex. for Taurus lagna, suppose sun is place in 11th house. Sun is lord of 4th house; during sun’s dasa/bhukth one will have good house/vehicle, and good education.
3.If lord of 12 th house aspects 11th house or posited in 11th house/lord of 11th house is posited in 12th house/lord of 11th is neecha or combust then there will be loss of money, heavy unexpected  expenditure are indicated during the period of lord of 11/planet posited in it/aspecting it.
Rohiniranjanji,
I am also agreeing with your point of view .Thanks for your valuable comments.[/quote]


Thanks Srikant for explaining my request. Again sorry for the belated response, hoping that you do not take my late reply as rude.

Regrding the badhaka lord for chara lagna, being adverse, somehow I beg to differ... my experience that is.

When badhak lord is aspected by a malefic, it could/will be adverse. Yes and true. But why?.....Probably not due to the its badhak quality, but due its aspect by a malefic. Why blame badhak here?

For a planet in the 11th. house it will give Badhaka effects for chara lagna's. Yes.

Again what is badhaka? Obstruction should be the answer. A badhaka lord obstructs less. A planet in a badhak house obstructs more. So the difference is marinal and more,respectively.

How much it obstructs should depend upon the strength of the badhaka. Whether the results are achieved at all or not can be guaged by the  relevant amsas in consideration and the nakshatras and subs it is placed in.

Regarding your point number 3 you are very correct in theory and logic.
But can one deny that it could also give the best of money too sometimes? Of course it come with high expenditures or followed by high expenditures.Wonder how we guage that?

What I would like to add......is..That if we see Badhaka; or 11th. house as Badhaka,with the exclusion of other systems and ways, we come to grief in terms of predictions sometimes.

Thanks for such thought provoking thoughts, Srikantji.

RishiRahul[/quote]


Rishi,

If I may stick in my 2 cents ... this badhak business, in my mind, belongs in the same bin as combustion and retrogression, sade sathi and KSY to name a few "boogie men" in jyotish. When we were children (learning jyotish) forceful and charismatic and impressive authority figures (writers and teachers) had forcefully introduced into our minds these fears. Like all other irrational fears that human children absorb and fear from. Perhaps the 'grahan dosha' could also be included and gandanta of course, the granddaddy of doshas!

Jyotishis talk about science and scientific and rational and logical and all that but when it comes to looking all of these in face they go limp and numb.

I have been harassing and haranguing people for something so commonplace and so feared: an example of combustion being the sole or significant factor that created negativity in a nativity's life. NADA!

YES, there are many charts who are of nativities in the pits! But while some astrologers focused only on the combustion or whatever and ran out of the bath crying, "Eureka" did they ever realize for a moment what was showing?

I rest my case. Please move it into the garbage bin after a few have had a chance to read it!

thank you