[quote="Votive"][quote="rohiniranjan"]
Before we analyze and explain something complex like psychic perceptive ability and astrological correlates, perhaps the quest must begin with the astrological correlates that make one a poet and unleash it from within our souls.

One caution that the ant would like to sound is to start with universally acclaimed poets such as Omar Khayaam, Kabir, Rahim, Surdas, Tagore, Wordsworth, Frost, Neeraj, Ghag kavi (don't ask about him on internet I beg of you! ;-)

and many more after that...!

A poet is a worldly person who is moving towards becoming a psychic. That could be the starting hypothesis!

RR[/quote]

While we begin to look and interpret the charts of such universally acclaimed poets, I wonder what should be looked in such charts.

Perhaps, to begin with, the attributes of poetic thoughts could be tentatively assigned to the right side of the brain; to the ida nadi or the Chandra Nadi...
logically extending to the chart, the shadowy or the "night" side of the chart , houses First to the Seventh. Specifically focussing on the Second, Third , Fourth and for the well-acclaimed poets on the fifth too.
Direction wise, the North_east quadrant of the chart.
Jupiter, moon, mercury and venus then maybe the grahas to look for and ofcourse, the nodes for without the Nodal influence how would the words weave those thoughts which float to the poet!

Votive[/quote]

Astrology is based on astro-signatures (others may label those differently), essentially a pattern created by the planets and signs and nakshatras that tends to cluster in a fashion that is not random but is reproducible and validatable.

Without reproducibility, it would not become a meaningful identifier and would lose its predictive value. And if it is not validatable, that is, verifiable by others in different sets of charts then again its value as a astrological signature diminishes.

Poetry is to some extent vague and amorphous and have over the centuries changed from a precise almost music-like disciplined expression of the contents of the soul (meter, rhyme and so on) to pretty much anything goes! Even a collection of thoughts that are strung attractively, though not poetically, sometimes known as prosetry (prose + poetry; often mocked by jealous critics as 'Worse'!) can pass in today's modern times as poetry (and thank God for such permissiveness ;-))

So rather than trying to catch this Fitnaa, my humble recommendation would be to line up a few universally acclaimed poets under the astro-microscope and without any preconceived notions or bias the interested researcher just observe the test-bed of these few charts just like a scientist would do. Just observe, and try and identify patterns. These famous poets have already mastered and expressed what poetry is and perhaps to some extent defined its scope and boundaries (oxymoronic as it may sound when talking about poetry!). It is akin to studying the attributes of a planet by studying its strongest examples as its expression and then moving to more subtle shades of its possible expressions!

If no pattern emerges, we can always change our subject and look at soldiers or astronauts etc. Or we can move to a deeper level and try and see if there are patterns that are not seen at the rashi level but are at nakshatra level or varga level etc etc

The approach is standard, more or less. The problem arises by the fact that these take time, are rather tedious and hence many a researchers jump ship before they find the treasure they came looking for when they entered the ship! (I know, I know mixed analogies and metaphors! -- But it has been fun, won't you agree?)

RR

[quote="Votive"]...
the nodes for without the Nodal influence how would the words weave those thoughts which float to the poet!

Votive[/quote]


And please note that this is just my imagination of how the process of birth may be. One would have to consult poets to confirm if my perception is indeed true.

Poetry is magical and one (consumer/reader/afficianado) gets the impression that it pours forth in its pristine brilliance. In most cases and based on just a small sample survey of not really great or acclaimed poets and poetesses, it seems that while the 'birth' is sudden and overpowering, like any other birth, it is not pretty and then needs a lot of revisits and fine-tuning often over a long period of time as the poet also grows and so on.

In fact even someone as accomplished as Beethoven and Mozart were known to write and rewrite and tweak what *came through* and a poet is not any different in that respect (Any poet in the House? Can you confirm or deny or share your reality with us fumbling and groping in the astrological black hole? or darkness, at least!).

What I see there really is saturn in all its anal glory! Strange most would say! What has saturn the punisher, the strict math teacher (my apologies to any math teachers who may be offended by my use of this universal 'stereotype' but I use that heuristically and not as a personal value judgment. I know of some math teachers who are more poetical than Misirji my teacher in Hindi poetry was!), got to do with poetry?

Saturn makes us repeat and finetune and reshape and get it just right! It is interesting if you think about it, one of the hardest things in this world is to polish a diamond, the hardest mineral known to humanity! Not only huge natural forces are required to produce a diamond naturally or artificially (any physicists or chemists in the house? Please confirm!) and then in order to beautify and polish it to perfection takes time and skill and repetition and some pretty tremendous forces! I see therefore, that in order for venus to reach its most beautiful expression its perfect expression, it has to go through a saturnine routine of constant discipline and hard work and not much fun! Ask any model or actor/actress, performer, artist, poet!

Little wonder that without saturn, venus cannot achieve its perfection, its full expression! Perhaps that is why saturn finds its exaltation in Libra as a thank you from Venus!

I find Saturn intriguing in this quest for the finest in beauty, the expression of the soul = poetry! Who would have thunk? (for those familiar with that quaint expression!)

Just a thought, or perhaps just a fleeting observation as the ant crawls along minding its menial business ...

RR