Hmm... this is something I've been wondering for a while.

I've come across a lot of people advocating that it's ok for the janma lagna to be read instead in case the exact minute of birth is not known.

How accurate would reading from the janma lagna be? I've read somewhere that before the age of 32, significance from the lagna would account for 60% of results and from janma lagna 40%, after 32 its the other way round with janma lagna having more weigh on the chart due to the idea that "as a person grows older, their mind (moon) takes over as opposed to natural instincts (lagna)".

Could anyone shed a light on this? Thanks!

You've been reading, adiyetri! This is good. Now take it off those pages, and let's have some fun with experiential opinions that we get to share with each other and therefore promise mutual understanding and growth.

From the beginning, the diligent scholar has been taught to have special regard to 3 primary lagnas: surya lagna, chandra lagna (janma rasi) and the lagna proper. They all bear significance as they represent diff layers of your consciousness; the root of your material existence.

Do not use the janma lg flippantly for everything. You'd be allowing your objectivity to leak into dangerous waters. Everybody born on the same day will be having the same horoscope with the same janma lg. You'd be just one step better than sun sign advocates. Not an exciting prospect for quality scholarship.

Your most primary need must be the individualized horoscope as uniquely authentic as possible. This is pinpointed by that one single moment that in turn pinpoints the lg proper. This must be your first demand before you start your work. Do not compromise on this. In one pinpointed space, in one pinpointed time, only one birth can occur. Even horary works best when this chart is used as a backdrop, what more muhurtha and electional work. The lg proper reveals the opportunities for resolution in this life.

For years I have used the janma perspective to reveal deeply set karmic undercurrents that would appear inevitable for the subject, but a stronger lg perspective, coupled with an esoteric surya lg perspective can produce seeming miracles in turning around events with definite directions as 'almost' promised by a typical janma lg reading.

You realize that the Vimshottari dasa system uses the Moon as its base of calculation, and yet the 'reading' is made from the lagna proper's perspective? Arguably, that would be incongruent. Is it a tactical anomaly or a metaphysical application in action?

So I strongly suggest you focus on the lg proper. If you want to see how a case with unrectified birth-time is handled 'safely' step by step, - Not allowed and you will see some current cases I'm working on.

Dear Aiyu,

Jyotish is like a very old house! Its walls have been painted and repainted and then painted over many many times with little attempts made to our knowledge in a documented manner that indicates that from time to time, older layers were sanded down enough before layering on a fresh coat of paint!

That foolish metaphor aside (and out of my system!) consider this:

Each day while hardly anything changes other than the lagna every couple of hours, less or more (depending on latitude of birth!) and with birthrates on an average being one every second or two, one may think that lot of babies are born with very similar charts. And perhaps they do! And yet on the other hand even twins that are really close in terms of genes, birth conditions etc oftentimes show up as challenges where very different personalities and lives started at moments close to one another at birth! Are these special cases, are these anomalies? Are these God's way of reminding us that we are still climbing and have ways to go before we arrive 'there'?

If you are the slice and dice kind, you would immediately go to amshas and vargas and do that even while you forget that the birth time you were working with may be wrong! Reverse engineering seems to have struck the fancy of many an astrologers these days, but in the face of the reality of collapsing buildings, bridges way before their designers and builders predicted, may indicate that engineering or accountancy may not be the most optimum paradigm to apply to explain jyotish and to human experience, which is after all a biological or bio-social phenomenon.

Hence we arrive at the less acute and even somewhat obstruse realm of personal planets a brief introductory article wriiten years ago, hereby re-submitted for your kind perusal:

http://www.boloji.com/astro/00312.htm

Lagna, simply due to its speedier nature compared to the lot slower sun and moon may seem attractive to the jyotishi/ni that is looking for varying patterns that conform to the variation prevalent in human society, may not be a bad place to begin, in my view. As long as it alone does not become the sole Sarathi and driver to the obfuscation and obliteration of the very important passenger (nativity) in the Chariot (sometimes spelled C-H-A-R-T) who ironically is the very reason why there needs to be a Sarathi, and a chariot, or even a chart (=astrology!) in the first place :-)

The *belief* about 'all' individuals being influenced by or corresponding to lagna for x years and then to moon and so on is sadly a generalization at best and an unexamined MYTH at its worst! If only life came in such neat packages -- we may all be clones already! Look around even this small forum (small compared to the nearly 7 billion diversities and individuals that exist on one planet, THIS ONE!) and marvel in the variety and remember to Thank God for That!!

Rohiniranjan



[quote="Aiyu"]Hmm... this is something I've been wondering for a while.

I've come across a lot of people advocating that it's ok for the janma lagna to be read instead in case the exact minute of birth is not known.

How accurate would reading from the janma lagna be? I've read somewhere that before the age of 32, significance from the lagna would account for 60% of results and from janma lagna 40%, after 32 its the other way round with janma lagna having more weigh on the chart due to the idea that "as a person grows older, their mind (moon) takes over as opposed to natural instincts (lagna)".

Could anyone shed a light on this? Thanks! :)[/quote]

As I take it.. everything should be taken from the lagna proper than it should be cofirmed from the Chandra Lagna.

For Example suppose we have to judge the wealth of a person, among other things, we see the second house from lagna and we find out  that the person is going to have $ 1 million (i dont think such a calculation is possible but for the sake of clarity let s assume it), we also see the second house from moon and suppose this house indicates that the person will not have any wealth at all in his life... then his total wealth should be around $600,000 to $700,000.

Chandra Lagna should be given equal importance in the matters of marriage (meeting of the minds, thats what the marriage is).

we can not ignore Chandra lagna completely, after all in addition to giving the results because of their presence in variuos signs, planets also give results according to the nakshatras they occupy. The results are also given according to the number of nakshatra occupied by the planet as counted from the janam nakshatra (Janam Tara, Sampat Tara, Vipat Tara etc.) this feature wholly depends upon the position of the moon.


Welcome to the community Agnihotri Ji... we hope to lern a lot from you

Dear Rajeev ji,

I hope you will not take this post by me as necessarily questioning your belief and experience! You are right in reminding all who are reading this post that lagna alone should not be taken as the key significator or orientation point and moon and other personal planets must be taken into consideration (and while at that, why leave the remaining planets as well!).

As to 'marriage' in modern times, it may be not quite that simple compared to purer and ancient times (again, a belief of mine since it is not really well documented how the general public during Sata, Dwapar and Treta 'did' it, and not the Gods and Awataars we hear about and assume to reflect the entire population norm back in those days!).

That said, and extending your very practical and tangible dollars and cents example, how would one, for instance, take up Bill Gates' chart and use it as an illustration of this lagna vs chandra etc exchange that is going on? <<Please note that this is not just directed at you but being a public post, anyone who wishes to participate is welcome>>

Best wishes,

Rohiniranjan

[quote="RajeevSharma"]As I take it.. everything should be taken from the lagna proper than it should be cofirmed from the Chandra Lagna.

For Example suppose we have to judge the wealth of a person, among other things, we see the second house from lagna and we find out  that the person is going to have $ 1 million (i dont think such a calculation is possible but for the sake of clarity let s assume it), we also see the second house from moon and suppose this house indicates that the person will not have any wealth at all in his life... then his total wealth should be around $600,000 to $700,000.

Chandra Lagna should be given equal importance in the matters of marriage (meeting of the minds, thats what the marriage is).

we can not ignore Chandra lagna completely, after all in addition to giving the results because of their presence in variuos signs, planets also give results according to the nakshatras they occupy. The results are also given according to the number of nakshatra occupied by the planet as counted from the janam nakshatra (Janam Tara, Sampat Tara, Vipat Tara etc.) this feature wholly depends upon the position of the moon.


:smt035 Welcome to the community Agnihotri Ji... we hope to lern a lot from you[/quote]