It does not take long for one to run into the very obviously intuitive premise that the entire logical structure of jyotish is built upon placement of planets and patterns experienced by such nativities. So, one may hear that lunar nodes in the 7th house will tend to give marriages that are difficult or interracial (rahu represents other cultures, races etc according to some). By the same token it makes sense that if a benefic planet such as moon is in the 7th, marriage would be happy if not perfect, whereas malefics there would cause or promise problems and stress.

The above sound reasonable premises and most jyotishis would not question those, but is it necessarily true? Let us see some statistics, and I will leave you to come to your own conclusions:

Of 73 individuals who had interracial marriages
8 had sun in 7th
10 had moon
5 had mercury
4 had venus
8 had mars
5 had jupiter
9 had saturn
3 had rahu
and 5 had ketu in 7th
20 had benefics in 7th
23 had malefics in 7th

In a set of 1599 charts with moon in the 7th:
1 had a friendly divorce
6 had bitter divorces
17 had overall happy to very happy marriages
22 never got married
10 had interracial marriages
28 became widows/widowers

Peace,

RR

To the above, some fundamentals are still arguable that would make the above go down the same way western debunkers have with their polls. For instance, the common denominator of the 7th house, the benefics, and malefics present therein appear to be the main presuppositions for the marital experiences that follow. This nullifies the study from the start. For instance, a benefic in the 7th is no surity of the basis of even marital bliss if he has sani and kuja in his 10th bhava. Nor will a single malefic in the 7th bhava account for a marriage of hell if he has guru and sukra in his 1st or 4th bhava. And this, going by karakakattwa effects, without factoring the unique functional traits of the occupying planets concerned relative to different lagnas that change every two hours.

The data must be of every married couple 'in spite' of expected sets of marital configurations. If we cannot determine the statistical incidence of marital causes, then making statements of purported 'truth' of marital texture, type, etc as below would be incongruent. There are people who have years of marital bliss without healthy 7th houses, as well as people who continue with marriage but without mutuality, love, or sharing, but having separate 'arrangements' instead, as well as people with amazing marital compatibility but separate in no more than two years after the marriage. The generic weights given below don't represent an accurate quantification of the nuances of the experience as they are too subjective. Were these polls taken by joint respondents or were they subjective opinions of one party, in direct reference to the separations and divorces?
And mn7 (moon in the 7th) alone has not been a consistent marital challenge. It's marital connotation shifts with different lagnas. I would be happy to assist with the direction of your already diligent work.

One of the most powerful methods is not to start with searching for a specific answer by starting with well-defined pre-suppositions. That alone will bias and bend your results to your expectations. Generally, develop a consuming matrix that will allow the patterns to emerge and let the team be guided to see unexpected patterns in the 'issue'. This requires an impressive initiative. You should lead this team, and I would be happy to assist the best way I can.

Dear Ashutosh ji,

Before you get too serious :-), this was not a *study* which to me as a researcher would mean spending more than the 7-10 minutes I spent in generating the data!

But even these 7-10 minutes were not ill-spent since they raised questions about some of the statements and comments that I saw in some of the threads that seemed to extoll the" moon in 7th does this, and rahu in 7th does that" kind of level that astrology seems to sink to from time to time ;-)

Please treat my earlier posting as a 'response' to such pontificatory postings made by certain members recently!

And, thank you very much for your kind though unsolicitated offer to guide me in my diligent work etc! I will get back to you when I need your assistance ;-)

RR


[quote="Agnihotri"][quote]So, one may hear that lunar nodes in the 7th house will tend to give marriages that are difficult or interracial (rahu represents other cultures, races etc according to some). By the same token it makes sense that if a benefic planet such as moon is in the 7th, marriage would be happy if not perfect, whereas malefics there would cause or promise problems and stress. The above sound reasonable premises and most jyotishis would not question those, but is it necessarily true? Let us see some statistics, and I will leave you to come to your own conclusions:

Of 73 individuals who had interracial marriages
8 had sun in 7th
10 had moon
5 had mercury
4 had venus
8 had mars
5 had jupiter
9 had saturn
3 had rahu
and 5 had ketu in 7th
20 had benefics in 7th
23 had malefics in 7th
[/quote]



To the above, some fundamentals are still arguable that would make the above go down the same way western debunkers have with their polls. For instance, the common denominator of the 7th house, the benefics, and malefics present therein appear to be the main presuppositions for the marital experiences that follow. This nullifies the study from the start. For instance, a benefic in the 7th is no surity of the basis of even marital bliss if he has sani and kuja in his 10th bhava. Nor will a single malefic in the 7th bhava account for a marriage of hell if he has guru and sukra in his 1st or 4th bhava. And this, going by karakakattwa effects, without factoring the unique functional traits of the occupying planets concerned relative to different lagnas that change every two hours.

The data must be of every married couple 'in spite' of expected sets of marital configurations. If we cannot determine the statistical incidence of marital causes, then making statements of purported 'truth' of marital texture, type, etc as below would be incongruent. There are people who have years of marital bliss without healthy 7th houses, as well as people who continue with marriage but without mutuality, love, or sharing, but having separate 'arrangements' instead, as well as people with amazing marital compatibility but separate in no more than two years after the marriage. The generic weights given below don't represent an accurate quantification of the nuances of the experience as they are too subjective. Were these polls taken by joint respondents or were they subjective opinions of one party, in direct reference to the separations and divorces?
And mn7 (moon in the 7th) alone has not been a consistent marital challenge. It's marital connotation shifts with different lagnas. I would be happy to assist with the direction of your already diligent work.

One of the most powerful methods is not to start with searching for a specific answer by starting with well-defined pre-suppositions. That alone will bias and bend your results to your expectations. Generally, develop a consuming matrix that will allow the patterns to emerge and let the team be guided to see unexpected patterns in the 'issue'. This requires an impressive initiative. You should lead this team, and I would be happy to assist the best way I can.




[quote]
In a set of 1599 charts with moon in the 7th:
1 had a friendly divorce
6 had bitter divorces
17 had overall happy to very happy marriages
22 never got married
10 had interracial marriages
28 became widows/widowers
Peace,
RR[/quote][/quote]

Dear Rohiniranjanji,

I'm careful in how statistics are interpreted. While survey trends may be primarily suggestive, many would read it blatantly than consider the various implications that may come along with it. As such, the fact gathering finally boils down to the angle of emphasis on the interpretation. It has happened before, even in major industries, where the interpretation is used to cloak or misdirect attention from otherwise more crucial data from the same set. What can be the consequential effect upon readers who'd prefer to just leave it to the doyens to opine and for the rest to follow? I think this care too, can be appreciated. So, point taken.

Ashutoshji,

Particularly in jyotish it seems, the tendency to run with hasty conclusions even by experienced practitioners and teachers etc seems to be rampant! Hence we run into statements every so often that try to connect one planet with a house (with total disregard for the rest of the astro-matrix) and try to emphatically sound very definitive. My point of presenting the dataset and observations was exactly to inject caution into readers to sit up, put their reality caps on and 'question' such 'one-liner' delineations. This is why I had just posted the data and left the drawing of conclusions to the readers.

Ah the joys of jyotish (often misspelled as Joytish!)

[quote="Agnihotri"]Dear Rohiniranjanji,

I'm careful in how statistics are interpreted. While survey trends may be primarily suggestive, many would read it blatantly than consider the various implications that may come along with it. As such, the fact gathering finally boils down to the angle of emphasis on the interpretation. It has happened before, even in major industries, where the interpretation is used to cloak or misdirect attention from otherwise more crucial data from the same set. What can be the consequential effect upon readers who'd prefer to just leave it to the doyens to opine and for the rest to follow? I think this care too, can be appreciated. So, point taken.

:)




[quote="rohiniranjan"]Dear Ashutosh ji,

Before you get too serious :-), this was not a *study* which to me as a researcher would mean spending more than the 7-10 minutes I spent in generating the data!

But even these 7-10 minutes were not ill-spent since they raised questions about some of the statements and comments that I saw in some of the threads that seemed to extoll the" moon in 7th does this, and rahu in 7th does that" kind of level that astrology seems to sink to from time to time ;-)

Please treat my earlier posting as a 'response' to such pontificatory postings made by certain members recently!

And, thank you very much for your kind though unsolicitated offer to guide me in my diligent work etc! I will get back to you when I need your assistance ;-)

RR


[quote="Agnihotri"][quote]So, one may hear that lunar nodes in the 7th house will tend to give marriages that are difficult or interracial (rahu represents other cultures, races etc according to some). By the same token it makes sense that if a benefic planet such as moon is in the 7th, marriage would be happy if not perfect, whereas malefics there would cause or promise problems and stress. The above sound reasonable premises and most jyotishis would not question those, but is it necessarily true? Let us see some statistics, and I will leave you to come to your own conclusions:

Of 73 individuals who had interracial marriages
8 had sun in 7th
10 had moon
5 had mercury
4 had venus
8 had mars
5 had jupiter
9 had saturn
3 had rahu
and 5 had ketu in 7th
20 had benefics in 7th
23 had malefics in 7th
[/quote]



To the above, some fundamentals are still arguable that would make the above go down the same way western debunkers have with their polls. For instance, the common denominator of the 7th house, the benefics, and malefics present therein appear to be the main presuppositions for the marital experiences that follow. This nullifies the study from the start. For instance, a benefic in the 7th is no surity of the basis of even marital bliss if he has sani and kuja in his 10th bhava. Nor will a single malefic in the 7th bhava account for a marriage of hell if he has guru and sukra in his 1st or 4th bhava. And this, going by karakakattwa effects, without factoring the unique functional traits of the occupying planets concerned relative to different lagnas that change every two hours.

The data must be of every married couple 'in spite' of expected sets of marital configurations. If we cannot determine the statistical incidence of marital causes, then making statements of purported 'truth' of marital texture, type, etc as below would be incongruent. There are people who have years of marital bliss without healthy 7th houses, as well as people who continue with marriage but without mutuality, love, or sharing, but having separate 'arrangements' instead, as well as people with amazing marital compatibility but separate in no more than two years after the marriage. The generic weights given below don't represent an accurate quantification of the nuances of the experience as they are too subjective. Were these polls taken by joint respondents or were they subjective opinions of one party, in direct reference to the separations and divorces?
And mn7 (moon in the 7th) alone has not been a consistent marital challenge. It's marital connotation shifts with different lagnas. I would be happy to assist with the direction of your already diligent work.

One of the most powerful methods is not to start with searching for a specific answer by starting with well-defined pre-suppositions. That alone will bias and bend your results to your expectations. Generally, develop a consuming matrix that will allow the patterns to emerge and let the team be guided to see unexpected patterns in the 'issue'. This requires an impressive initiative. You should lead this team, and I would be happy to assist the best way I can.




[quote]
In a set of 1599 charts with moon in the 7th:
1 had a friendly divorce
6 had bitter divorces
17 had overall happy to very happy marriages
22 never got married
10 had interracial marriages
28 became widows/widowers
Peace,
RR[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]