Dear Hemal

In an earlier post (300 important combinations started by Mr. Bhaduria () you suggested that we should have a discussion on Guru Rahu conjunction, since I presume this could be an interesting topic, so this new thread is started.

In the end after trying to explain whatever I knew, I wrote that

"It is my personal observation that these people have a peculiar way of thinking. They have their own views about various things (in fact about almost everything under the sun), which may not be correct but the natives are very rigid about them. Simply put in Hindi the native hamesha ulta sochta hai."

To this the response of Mr. Votive was… I quote him

"When the wisdom of Guru is poured in the "change" which Rahu promises, it is a heady mix. Certainly not conventional, I would agree but the definition of "good" as in a good yoga perhaps needs a fresh look.
I would put it in Hindi, "hamesha alag sochate hain" and not 'hamesha ulta sochate hain".
For, if all thoughts are cast from the same mould then maybe we would not be discussing on this forum at all."

Perhaps I was a bit too harsh in saying native hamesha ulta sochta hai and I apologize if I have hurt anyone’s feelings

After all it is the perception of what is going around us. We may perceive the things as they really are or mould them as they suit best to us. Here I would like to narrate two incidents of people having this conjunction.

Many years back I happened to be at the house of a friend of mine. The relationship between him  and his father were not exactly cordial and on that particular day some intense family matters were being discussed during which the father said something which agitated the son so much that he got up to hit his father but couldn’t hit him because of whatever reason and stopped in midway and left the house angrily.

Next day the father gathered some relatives and friends and raised such a hue and cry about this incident that it was something to be seen. According to him he did not consider it safe to live with his son as he (the son) could even kill him. The son on the other hand said that the attitude of his father, towards him, has, over the years, deteriorated to such an extent that if he had hit him, it would have been better, but something, may be the inherent respect towards his father, prevented him in doing that.

Here I ask you, wasn’t the father wrong in perceiving those events as he could only see that his son got up to hit him but couldn’t see that the respect factor stopped the son in time and made a public issue of a domestic quarrel. Or was it the son who was wrong as he even thought of hitting his father.

Later when I got interested in astrology I found that on the day of father’s birth Jupiter was in Pisces and Rahu was in Virgo having direct aspect on each other (though exact time was not available  but these two planets can hardly change their position in a day ) and in son’s chart both Sun and Saturn were together.


Another incident is of a divorce case. I was with a lawyer friend of mine who was counsel for the husband. On the day when I was present in the court the lady said that her husband slaps her hard when she didn’t get up on time in the morning. On asking about this the husband replied that he just tried to wake her up by gently and lovingly patting her on the cheek. The magistrate even asked the lady to slap (or pat) herself in the court as to judge the intensity of that act. And believe me it was just a pat but the lady was adamant on being it the slap. Guru Rahu are in the same house of that lady.

So it is only the way of looking at the things, you can say the glass is half full or half empty. Basic thinking process is the domain of Jupiter (and also of Mercury), with Rahu’s conjunction or aspect there have to be some flaws in it, which may be unclear to the native as I don’t think no one, even during most truthful self analysis,  can accept his own flaws in perceiving things. It is for others around us to judge.  As these planets come to associate with each other very often (because direct and retrograde motions, and their 5-7-9 aspects) I would say that majority of the population have this combination in their charts, so one can not really draw a line between the right and the wrong. I, of all the people, am no one to pass the judgment, but this is what I feel.

Dear Mr Sharma,

I am thankful for your lead to open this discussion.  As I myself have this yoga in my kundli, I have done a lot study and research, but still not in conclusive in a generalised manner, as to what could happen or effect by this association.

My own knowledge about astological studies so far says that Guru is a meant for education, positive thinking, maturity, spiritual path, understanding, manerism, respect in general for others including elders, and with all these positive traits, attainment of happiness, peace and prosperity...By the association of Rahu, all these factors are influenced at some or the other time, and thereby unhappiness, frustration, etc is generated..Hence such a person, although good at heart and every good qualitites is perceived to be a hard headed, or a non social person.  If other good Yogas are there in the chart, it remains only a negative perception, and if more bad yogas are present in the chart, the person tends to be really bad, and may even become a criminal minded person...I have analysed a kundli of a criminal who had attained fame for his criminal activity, and had a Rahu Guru and drishti of chandra on these two grahs...The person incidentally was termed as a good by heart person.

LETS DISCUSS MORE, LATER I WOULD ALSO COME ON MY KUNDLI, AND TELL YOU MY VIEWS...MY ANALYTICAL SENSE ON RAHU GURU CONJUNCTION DIFFERS FROM THE CONVENTIONAL KNOWLEDGE WHICH I GAINED ABOUT ASTROLOGY.

Hello Rajivji,

Your logic is getting so profound, that presently you are speaking logic through your breath... pure logic.

The lord of wisdom, dharma JUPITER, with the significator of greed, or departure from the wisdom, RAHU?

Rahu at his best can bring great spirituality by departing from it and, therefore giving pain.

Their placement in rashis can alter their results.
For example a planet can be natural benefic, but by owning rashis( obviously in respect to lagna), can be a functional benefic or malefic. But we can never deny its natural nature, even if it becomes a functional benefic.

Great explanation on your part. I have saved your stuff in my astrology writing documents.

And th'perception' was really absolutely true. The Arudhas should be checked for that.


Saturn teaches in most different ways.

Regards,

RishiRahul

A word of appreciation coming from you is really something, I am honoured.

Thank You & Best Regards

Hemal ji,

Please pardon my intrusion into your thread but I would be cautious about equating or associating Jupiter with education (without qualifiers!). Jupiter is about knowledge -- which does not always come to us through education, at least formal education as the word generally implies. If you were using the term 'education' in a broader sense, then yes -- jupiter would signify that, as in education and learning that leads to consolidated knowledge. Interestingly, "education" is not the forte of any given planet but all planets can be associated with education of the formal kind!

Rahu is like a capsule, a plastic bubble of sorts. It creates distance, a separation, a buffer between the shocking reality and the vulnerable perceiving self. Individuals with strongly represented rahus thus tend to absorb shocks more readily and that then becomes part of their learning, their life-plan in the human experience of the soul -- as I have often described our lives as.

This ability to shield and distance oneself can manifest in many ways and invariably affects and upsets those who must deal with such nativities -- to the point of negativity. Charts in which rahu gets associated with atmakaraka or arudha would be good illustrations of this statement.

Why this should be so and why rahu should bring in such distancing (and ketu too but in a different way! Perhaps another thread...!) is for anyone to explain. However, this line of thinking has a link to understanding one of the biggest bugbears of our modern jyotish times: Kala Sarpa Yoga [[wherein all planets seemingly are enclosed within the plastic bubble of the lunar nodes]]!

PEACE/SHANTI

RR


[quote="hemal_bhach"]Dear Mr Sharma,

I am thankful for your lead to open this discussion.  As I myself have this yoga in my kundli, I have done a lot study and research, but still not in conclusive in a generalised manner, as to what could happen or effect by this association.

My own knowledge about astological studies so far says that Guru is a meant for education, positive thinking, maturity, spiritual path, understanding, manerism, respect in general for others including elders, and with all these positive traits, attainment of happiness, peace and prosperity...By the association of Rahu, all these factors are influenced at some or the other time, and thereby unhappiness, frustration, etc is generated..Hence such a person, although good at heart and every good qualitites is perceived to be a hard headed, or a non social person.  If other good Yogas are there in the chart, it remains only a negative perception, and if more bad yogas are present in the chart, the person tends to be really bad, and may even become a criminal minded person...I have analysed a kundli of a criminal who had attained fame for his criminal activity, and had a Rahu Guru and drishti of chandra on these two grahs...The person incidentally was termed as a good by heart person.

LETS DISCUSS MORE, LATER I WOULD ALSO COME ON MY KUNDLI, AND TELL YOU MY VIEWS...MY ANALYTICAL SENSE ON RAHU GURU CONJUNCTION DIFFERS FROM THE CONVENTIONAL KNOWLEDGE WHICH I GAINED ABOUT ASTROLOGY.[/quote]