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Life2007:  I got your point regarding Jupiter gaining more power. But I would like to know, if Jupiter is malefic for Aquarius, does gaining more power does more harm than good ?  I doubt because fundamentally Jupiter is the most pious and beneficia among the nine planets. So that is the basis of my confusion. How can the same planet act like a malefic when it is bathed in all good qualites?

RishiRahul=Everything or every planet has its own characteristics. Again, keep in mind that too much of aything is bad.
Now a grahayudhha taking place between 2 or more planets.
In your case it occurs between 2 planets, affecting both planets as they are agitated due to much closeness, like two people are affected when their very personal space is violated== feeling uncomfortable.
This highlights their significations making them prominent and significant in the natives life with the winner having advantage of frustrating the loser.

Final result=both planets are not able perform in a normal manner, and are out of their normal balance. Which again does not mean to be a very hurtful or something to turn lfe topsy turvy. Grahayudhha does not affect shadbala (planetary strenght much and in a negligible manner)===== some conflict between the signications between the two planetary significations.

Jupiter is a functional malefic for Aquarius lagna, and a natural benefic.
It is good for finances.
Natural Jupiter bathed in good qualities like you mentioned, like piousness, wisdom etc.
But what happens when that piousness, wisdom finds its personal space violated by the significator of greed, too much courage, tamashik qualities,etc? The piousness etc is affected by the Rahu qualities, but Jupiter wins,................................ highlighting its financial desires, yet does not want to resort to greed, and there is a tussle.

RishiRahul= You question is very rich in content. I like your questions. = Life 2007: Thank you for such motivation. This comment itself makes me feel good.


See, if Rahu was the winner then greed would have dominated your desires. Who wins in your case? The answer will becomes simpler during your Jupiter dasa in Vimshottari.
The natural qualities of Jupiter is rich in content/qualities as you mentioned. Deviatios make it differ as I mentioned.
RishiRahul[/quote]

Rishi Rahulji

Thank you for your response. Questions Questions! they never seem to end

I will limit to just 2 questions in this session.


1) I am really finding it interesting the grahyuddha between Jupiter and
   Rahu. I understood all your points very clearly. There is no confusion.
   But again as usual, I am asking questions out of the blue related to this
   topic.


  RishiRahulji, I understand fortunately in the above case, the Mr. Right  
  (Jupiter) wins over the Mr. Wrong (Rahu). Now, from my limited
  knowledge I understand that the eleventh house is the house of "kama"
  I am relating "Kama" as greed though I know the meaning of Kama is
  desires. But definitely there is nothing wrong in having desires, that is
  the basic human nature. But since 11th house is labelled as "kama
  house", I understand the planets in it play  a significant role in
  influencing more desires and more desires relates to greed.

  Now I actually pity the dilemma of Jupiter. By its natural qualites it is
  content and pious. Here the situation is like Mr. J (Jupiter) is staying in
  his own house and is happy to live a contented life but compelled to
  keep Mr. R(Rahu).  Mr. R keeps on tormenting Mr. J to ask for more
  than required. Mr. J takes head on Mr. R and wins.  Unfortunately, he
  still have to tolerate Mr. R because despite winning, he cannot outrightly
  throw out Mr R from his house.  And moreover, the HOUSE itself is full of
  lust and greed indirectly supporting Mr. R.  Again Mr. R has the privelage
  of being co-lagna lord and lagna lord holds the most important position
  in a chart. Dont you think there will ongoing stress throughout the life
  (especially on dashas and antardashas of the concerned planet) and
  have to keep strict vigil lest he may not go offboard ?

  Now Sun is not at all considered in this. I am sure there will be a new
  dimension if we consider his role.  Because Mr R is sworn enemy of Mr.
  S  (sun). Though Mr S has gained many controls of Mr. J due to
  combustion,  I would think Mr. S and Mr. J should be working together to
  keep Mr. R at   bay.  If you were watching this house at a distance, you
  may not find peace in it.  lot of activities (some good and some bad) and
  commotions.

  I dont know if this is right way to ask. I may not be expressing myself
  clearly.


2)  Can astrology change one's life from what is actually he is destined for?

    Let us for example consider Rahu winning the grahyuddha in the above
    case. Now the native is fully aware, he will be driven by too much lust
    and greed. The awarness of such a thing itself ( because not everyone
    is blessed with knowing his purpose, they just live life as it comes on)
    is part of karma probably God forewarning him to be careful.

    Would he then be able to :

    a)   Go to the right path despite planetry influences not favoring him?
          At one take, we may say Yes.. but I have my doubts, because the
          very seed of thought probaly is not much in our control.

    b)   Or it would be simply knowing and he will have to forcefully go by
          what is written for him?. Ofcourse then such a knowing does more
          harm than good because the native is in helpless state. Then the
          proverb "ignorance is bliss" holds true.

Thanks & Regards

Jeet
RishiRahul
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life2007 wrote:
Respected Rishi Rahulji

Thank you for your response and encouragement. I am further trying to solve my quest in line with your comments. I have all my basic queries answered by you for this topic. Therefore, do please reply only at your convenience.  


RishiRahul wrote:
Hello Life 2007,

In view of your questions, mentioned above, a revealing feature regarding marriage is that your darakaraka Rahu has lost in grahayuddha with Jupiter, and is afflicting your 7th. lord and Putrakaraka Sun. This with your 5th house Ketu afflicting the arudha of 2nd. house, besides a few other factors...... but do no get disheartened. I, in your positon would not have got much disheartened.

Reasons being:= Your Jupiter gets much strength being the winner in grahayuddha and being 2nd. and 11th. lord in 11th. house, as amatyakarak, which means so many things will be undone in later years.

RishiRahul= Please read 'strength' as 'power' for better understanding.

Life2007:  I got your point regarding Jupiter gaining more power. But I would like to know, if Jupiter is malefic for Aquarius, does gaining more power does more harm than good ?  I doubt because fundamentally Jupiter is the most pious and beneficia among the nine planets. So that is the basis of my confusion. How can the same planet act like a malefic when it is bathed in all good qualites?

Such people needs to handle ego factors positively, and from being negative, which affects interactions with people, which is a strong concern.

RishiRahul=I think you are long fingered maybe... delving you you to go deep and circumsize logic. Maybe you are mixing up things and giving too much importance to grahyudhha thing.
But let me explain your query better. Natural Jupiter is ordinarily pious and all the adjectives you have called it above.. very trully. As already explained: A participant of grahayuddha is agitated.. may it be a loser or winner. Jupiter winning the yuddha makes the normal/natural qualities proud due to winning, and due to the agitation of winning. Do not get mixed up. Imagine a  good person by birth, catapulted in bad environment when it is a good person having good qualities..... But in yuddha with someone and as won. Te ggod qualities remain but is proud. Too much pride is not good.
Jupiter is with/influenced by its natural friend, Sun (pride, prestige, honour), signifying a rich soul;..... but also with the defeated Rahu (greed in debilitation or near debilitation...increasing the bad qualities of Rahu); where Rahu, Sun and Jupiter needs to live together ( in same house).....meaning you have live with and through these tussles till the time your life/proper dasas permit.


1) The COMMENT  "DO NOT GET DISHEARTNED" IMPLIES THAT MARRIAGE
   IS DELAYED AND NOT DENIED. IS MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECT?
   JUST LIKE YOU MENTIONED A PERIOD FOR CAREER (2012-2017), I
   REQUEST IF YOU CAN GIVE A SIMILAR TIME PERIOD FOR MARRIAGE.

Rishirahul= This is not a reading forum and I limit myself to this. 2010 will bring a great light, and the abovementioned period, many solutions.

Life2007:  Right please, You have answered the query without breaking the rules  I got your clear indication.

2) JUPITER IS THE WINNER IN GRAHAYUDDHA. BUT ONE FACTOR, THAT
   JUPITER ITSELF IS COMBUST BY SUN.  DOES COMBUSTION MAKES
   JUPITER WEAK ?  AGAIN RAHU AFFLICTS SUN.

RishiRahul=Grahayudhha makes the participants agitated, like one is during war or 'yudhha'.
I have already taken into consideration and applied the considerations mentioned you. A person victorious in war is agitated and proud...having overextension of qualities... again combusted by Sun. Combustion highlights qualities.. in this case in terms of later life and spouse related factors and or affecting relations. Rahu conjuntion a planet also overextends qualities like combustion. False pride in high and unwanted proprtions , in this case affects relations, in very short.

Life2007: Again the same query props up in my mind as stated above. From a basic layman point of view, if a person (Jupiter) who is true and in the righetous path ( like the pandavas in Mahabarata) emerges victorious from person (Rahu) who is known for negative shades (like Kauravas in Mahabarata)  how can it negative qualites like false pride in high and unwanted proportions at the first place. I can understand if Rahu had emerged victorious, you may not expect any other qualities, but with Jupiter winning will is still exhibit such qualities to affect relations among other things?  I have my own doubts and hence sharing with you please.

Or is it that I am trying to understand the concept in a wrong way?


   DESPITE LOOSING GRAHAYUDDHA, CAN A MALEFIC PLANET (IN THIS
   CASE  RAHU)  CREATE TORMENTING PROBLEMS TO THE NATIVE AT      
   ITS DASHA OR ANTAR DASHA?

RishiRahul= Yes, the debilitated Rahu is low in quality affecting bhagya Arudha in the 11th, with conjunctions, bringing startling changes in its dasa.. therefore problems. Care to feel... A most interesting time.

Life 2007: There are some mystery words here for me to ponder. " Startling changes",  "Care to feel".  But I got the underlying meaning though.

RishiRahul= We feel life as we go, which makes feelings important. Imagine yourself without feelings?
Startling changes are in the purview of reading/reading forum and more detailed explanations. You should have/try to develop the wisdom through/with the help of these expressions.


3) WHY DO WE CONSIDER JUPITER BENEFIC HERE. IS IT NOT
   FUNCTIONALLY MALEFIC FOR AQUARIUS ASC.  I ALSO NOTICED A
   GOOD CAREER PERIOD IN MER-JUPITER PERIOD. SO I WAS
   WONDERING CAN A MALEFIC PROVIDE BENEFIC RESULTS, IF YES,
   WHY ARE THEY TERMED FUNCTIONAL MALEFICS FIRST OF ALL

RishiRahul= Jupiter here a benefic? Did I mention that?

Life2007:  No you did not mention it outrightly. But as explained above you have indicated that Mercury period with Jupiter involvement would good for career ( "you will not need not have to look back too much in your Vimshottari dasa of Mercury and chaturaseeti sama dasa of Jupiter, and mercury anrdasa of Shatabdika dasa". )and Saturn period with Jupiter involvement would be good marriage. ( You have mentiond period after 2010 when it would be Saturn MD and Jup AD) Hence this doubt please.

RishiRahul= We are again trying to pursue to readings and this is not a reading forum to explain the why behind readings.


Regarding job factors:= Amatyakaraka is troubled, but you will achieve a good place from where you will not need not have to look back too much in your Vimshottari dasa of Mercury and chaturaseeti sama dasa of Jupiter, and mercury anrdasa of Shatabdika dasa... AFTER 2012 and before 2017. Technicals again to study as you are a new learner.

This is not a reading forum, and I see the site moderator about to break the rules.

Coming back to the career topic, Saturn, retrograde in the 4th. house makes communicative abilities seem harsh, does not harmony, and makes work laborious during its Vimshottari dasa, and reminds the native that concentration should not be in personal/marriage endeavours.

Doesnt Vimshottari Mercury seem equipped to handle the good yogas in your chart? Technically being the planets forming Dharmakaramadhikari Rajayoga END (OR AND?) other good ones like solsr and lunar yogas.

IF THE ABOVE WORD IS END, THEN I WOULD REQUEST YOU TO PLEASE GUIDE ME HOW CAN A GOOD YOGA LIKE DHARMAKARAMADHIKARI RAJAYOGA END OTHER GOOD ONES?

RishiRahul= No yogas can end another one.

Life2007 = I have often read that because of one yoga the other has been cancelled many a times. Like for example despite Rajyogas in a chart, it gets nullified because of Daridra Yoga etc etc.  But I got your point.

OF COURSE, IF THE WORD IS AND, KINDLY IGNORE MY ABOVE QUESTION.

I HAVE READ THAT FOR LEO AND AQUARIUS ASC, MUTUAL CONJUCTION OF 9TH AND 10 LORDS DOES NOT MEAN DHARAMADHIKARI RAJYOGA. I HAVENT GOT THE REASONS OF WHY IS IT SO. HOWEVER, DOES DKY STILL EXIST IN THIS CHART ?

RishiRahul= You have the yoga, but an afflicted one.

How can DKY be considered when it is afflicted one. It would be like the case of a bottle of mineral water contaminated with polluted water. I mean it would be still called a mineral water bottle, but the contents inside have been mixed with dirty water so it is now as good as dirty water now. I understand that affliction has the same factors. When a good yoga like DKY has been afflicted, does not that mean it is no more a good yoga. Sorry if I am exaggerating a bit too much. But I feel comfortable by writing what I am excatly thinking rather than applying brakes.


All technicals answered more or less.

RishiRahul



The mind keeps on telling me to shoot out questions, but I know I should stop.

I once again thank you.


Regards

Jeet



Never stop shooting questions. When others are not available to answer them, your experience and study will certainly be there... unless you want the easy way out.

Good luck,

RishiRahul[/quote]


I thank you immensely for all your answers. You may kindly ignore some or all queries if you find it immature. Like I said before, I have learned somewhere it is better to ask stupid questions than not asking at all  


Regards

Jeet[/quote]



Life 2007,

I like your spirit. But do try to think before shooting questions. The reason I mention this is to help/initiate you to think, ponder and then imagine... and then shhot questions. I admire your spirit very much anyway.

None of your questions are stupid at all. If it were so.. then the path of learning would be stupid. Your questions were very much seeking. I apologise that I am not able to give much time for such serious imaginings.

RishiRahul
life2007


Age: 39
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Joined: 03 Oct 2007
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Respected Rishi Rahulji

Thank you once again for your response.  I have understood the concept of 'grahayuddha' much better now.  You are right in predicting about my finger.. it is indeed long   . This is again new and amazing to me that you could predict my behaviour from the size of my fingers!!

RishiRahul wrote:
Hello Life 2007,
RishiRahul=I think you are long fingered maybe... delving you you to go deep and circumsize logic. Maybe you are mixing up things and giving too much importance to grahyudhha thing.

But let me explain your query better. Natural Jupiter is ordinarily pious and all the adjectives you have called it above.. very trully. As already explained: A participant of grahayuddha is agitated.. may it be a loser or winner. Jupiter winning the yuddha makes the normal/natural qualities proud due to winning, and due to the agitation of winning. Do not get mixed up. Imagine a  good person by birth, catapulted in bad environment when it is a good person having good qualities..... But in yuddha with someone and as won. Te ggod qualities remain but is proud. Too much pride is not good.

Jupiter is with/influenced by its natural friend, Sun (pride, prestige, honour), signifying a rich soul;..... but also with the defeated Rahu (greed in debilitation or near debilitation...increasing the bad qualities of Rahu); where Rahu, Sun and Jupiter needs to live together ( in same house).....meaning you have live with and through these tussles till the time your life/proper dasas permit.


1) The COMMENT  "DO NOT GET DISHEARTNED" IMPLIES THAT MARRIAGE
   IS DELAYED AND NOT DENIED. IS MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECT?
   JUST LIKE YOU MENTIONED A PERIOD FOR CAREER (2012-2017), I
   REQUEST IF YOU CAN GIVE A SIMILAR TIME PERIOD FOR MARRIAGE.

Rishirahul= This is not a reading forum and I limit myself to this. 2010 will bring a great light, and the abovementioned period, many solutions.

Along with the quest in general astrology, I am naturally curious about my own direction in life in particular to both the above important aspects. Therefore, I am going to ask the above question once again in the reading forum. I hope you would be able to highlight and offer your valuable insight there of course at your convenience. Lack of clarity and confusion of overlap of several things is really give me unwanted headaches.

RishiRahul= Yes, the debilitated Rahu is low in quality affecting bhagya Arudha in the 11th, with conjunctions, bringing startling changes in its dasa.. therefore problems. Care to feel... A most interesting time.

Life 2007: There are some mystery words here for me to ponder. " Startling changes",  "Care to feel".  But I got the underlying meaning though.

RishiRahul= We feel life as we go, which makes feelings important. Imagine yourself without feelings?

Startling changes are in the purview of reading/reading forum and more detailed explanations. You should have/try to develop the wisdom through/with the help of these expressions.

I am going to try out my luck with this question too in the reading forum. I do think and ponder over whatever is discussed, but I am still at my infancy in astrology. I am particulary interested in that one key word " startling changes".  It looks very specific but yet very broad term.


3) WHY DO WE CONSIDER JUPITER BENEFIC HERE. IS IT NOT
   FUNCTIONALLY MALEFIC FOR AQUARIUS ASC.  I ALSO NOTICED A
   GOOD CAREER PERIOD IN MER-JUPITER PERIOD. SO I WAS
   WONDERING CAN A MALEFIC PROVIDE BENEFIC RESULTS, IF YES,
   WHY ARE THEY TERMED FUNCTIONAL MALEFICS FIRST OF ALL

RishiRahul= Jupiter here a benefic? Did I mention that?

Life2007:  No you did not mention it outrightly. But as explained above you have indicated that Mercury period with Jupiter involvement would good for career ( "you will not need not have to look back too much in your Vimshottari dasa of Mercury and chaturaseeti sama dasa of Jupiter, and mercury anrdasa of Shatabdika dasa". )and Saturn period with Jupiter involvement would be good marriage. ( You have mentiond period after 2010 when it would be Saturn MD and Jup AD) Hence this doubt please.

RishiRahul= We are again trying to pursue to readings and this is not a reading forum to explain the why behind readings.

Again, I will shift this question to the reading forum to quench my quest. Despite these questions centered around one birth chart details, I am sure it will solve the branches of queries arising within.

RishiRahul


Life 2007,

I like your spirit. But do try to think before shooting questions. The reason I mention this is to help/initiate you to think, ponder and then imagine... and then shhot questions. I admire your spirit very much anyway.

None of your questions are stupid at all. If it were so.. then the path of learning would be stupid. Your questions were very much seeking. I apologise that I am not able to give much time for such serious imaginings.

RishiRahul[/b][/quote]


Thank you for this encouragement. It only makes me feel that I am in the right direction. Yes, I do think a lot and take my own sweet time before shooting questions to you and I will continue to do that as advised by you.

Hoping to get answers in the reading forum where the title is "Analysis of Life2007's Chart with special attention to Shri RishiRahul please"

Thank you once again

Regards

gopal
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Hello Life 2007,

Thank you so much for appreciating my thoughts. You must understand and appreciate that I have been very liberal in sharing my thoughts to try help you and have given some indicators for your help.

I am not presently able to attend to detailed queries, particularly in the reading forum, due to my full time and part time occupations.

Thank you for the good words again.

RishiRahul
life2007


Age: 39
Zodiac:
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Joined: 03 Oct 2007
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Respected RishiRahul Ji

Thank you for your response.

I understand and humbly agree to what you have said.  Yes you are right, you have been very liberal in sharing your thoughts.

I am currentlyrunning Rahu AD along with Sat MD and guess that Rahu is already playing "greed" part   Never satisfied !!!

Anyways thank you once again for all your help. I shall further do my own research and interpetations and once in a while shall shoot down an odd query out of the blue to you.  

Thanks & Regards

Jeet


RishiRahul wrote:
Hello Life 2007,

Thank you so much for appreciating my thoughts. You must understand and appreciate that I have been very liberal in sharing my thoughts to try help you and have given some indicators for your help.

I am not presently able to attend to detailed queries, particularly in the reading forum, due to my full time and part time occupations.

Thank you for the good words again.

RishiRahul
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