Mr. Bhadauria,

Jyotish galat hai ya sahi is not the issue here!
Where in Jyotish have revered Rishis consistently written that Stars compel and do not just impel (see note later!).

On the other hand I can show you evidence that indicates that Rishis clearly show and recommend that free will overrules the bhagya! Case in point: Remedials which are said to remove doshas (of karma) and are engaged by an individual by free choice.

Secondly, there is muhurta or electional astrology. Clearly the bhagya can be overcome or reduced by choosing an appropriate and shubha muhurta.

If stars compelled, then Rishis (the Vedic Kind!) would not have mentioned these two supreme and irrefutable examples of free-will and human choice!

While we are on stars and their engines (!!) take a deep breath and consider this: I say stars do not impel either but simply INDICATE the karmic signature. They have no active or passive role in bringing human being's karma to fructify. They just indicate! They are like:

a) The clock that tells the time, but does not create the hunger or sleep that we associate with certain times!

b) They are like the alphabet. The words and symbols (that are interpreted as astrological readings) that they create do not cause or create or promote the bhagya or karma. They just indicate or describe it.

Your hindi is difficult to understand in this medium. Please respond in english if you can...

RR



[quote="astrobhadauria"]आज हमारे सामने जो प्रशन है उसके बारे मै केवल इतना ही कहून्गा कि,जो वैदिक रीति पिछले पेतीस  सौ सालो से लगातार चली आ रही है,और इन पिछले पैतीस सौ सालो मे क्या हमारे तुम्हारे जैसे लोग भी नही आये होन्गे जो,इम्पेल और कम्पेल का बखान कर सकते थे,भौतिकता के कारण और अपने गरूर का परदा लगा कर,थोडे से समय के लिय मान भी लिया जावे कि वेद का छठा अन्ग ज्योतिष गलत है,इसीका जबाब देने के लिये ही अभी एक ज्योतिश शास्त्र नाडी ज्योतिष को छुपाकर रखा गया है,जिसका भेद तभी खुलेगा जब लोग ज्योतिष को मानना बन्द कर देन्गे.[/quote]

जब आदमी को अपने बारे मै किसी प्रकार का रास्ता आगे निकलने का नही मिलता है तो वह भगवान की शरण मे जाता है,भगवान को ही काल्पुरुष माना जाता है,उसी काल पुरुष की कुन्डली को मान्कर प्रत्येक व्यक्ति की जीवन निधि को बखान करने के लिये,ज्योतिष के प्रति जाना पडता है,और जब ज्योतिष कोई अपने तरफ़ से रास्ता देती भी है तो,जो मानव के करम होते है वे उस रास्ते पर जाने या नही जाने के लिये प्रेरित करते है.अगर करम सही है तो मानव ज्योतिष को मानने लगता है और करम सही नही है तो मानव सब बातो को ढकोसला मान कर छोड देता है,और जो वेदिक बात को छोड कर अपने को मशहूर करने के लिये वेदिक रीति को छोड कर पश्चमी तरीके से अपने को ले जाने की कोशिश करता है वह वासतब मे अपने को धोके मे रखता है.

Is this a personal revelation (channeled) or is it based on examined facts? By you or anyone?

I realize that fundamentalists would love the statements you make but astrology is neither religion-based or fundamentalism-based and in a sense amoral!

RR

[quote="astrobhadauria"]जब आदमी को अपने बारे मै किसी प्रकार का रास्ता आगे निकलने का नही मिलता है तो वह भगवान की शरण मे जाता है,भगवान को ही काल्पुरुष माना जाता है,उसी काल पुरुष की कुन्डली को मान्कर प्रत्येक व्यक्ति की जीवन निधि को बखान करने के लिये,ज्योतिष के प्रति जाना पडता है,और जब ज्योतिष कोई अपने तरफ़ से रास्ता देती भी है तो,जो मानव के करम होते है वे उस रास्ते पर जाने या नही जाने के लिये प्रेरित करते है.अगर करम सही है तो मानव ज्योतिष को मानने लगता है और करम सही नही है तो मानव सब बातो को ढकोसला मान कर छोड देता है,और जो वेदिक बात को छोड कर अपने को मशहूर करने के लिये वेदिक रीति को छोड कर पश्चमी तरीके से अपने को ले जाने की कोशिश करता है वह वासतब मे अपने को धोके मे रखता है.[/quote]

Respected Rohiniranjan ji, Rishirahul ji, Astrobhadhauria ji and others
Just out of frustration & feelings of failures, I initiated this question. I am very much thankful to you and appreciate your kind concern for helping people like me. I feel sorry to respond back very late.

After reading your responses, I feel that all rajyogas in the horoscope may appears to be making a native very lucky in materialistic persuits but the LUCKIEST person is the one who has total faith in theory of karma and total faith in his own freewill which is basically result from the ture faith in the supreme mother nature. In other words - one's own positive character. Whatsoever, is there in the rajyogas will have its end one day but one's own strong & positive character would be the only worth aspiring asset in life.

Thanks again

Regards

Mr. Chawla,

That would not be my conclusion :-)
It is not that rajyogas will come to end (they will!) that is important to remember, but when rajyogas fructify, one must remember to utilize that opportunity to do good for others and to support them. Many individuals just keep waiting for that perfect moment when they say they would spring into action, but that perfect moment never arrives! As the lifeplan unfolds, there are opportunities to give and do good.

The absolute faith in karma etc is great but once that is achieved the person often does not remain fit for society and should really be heading for the mountains where seclusion assures and allows one to be immersed in the ocean inside.

One can be a part-time worker but one cannot be a part-time worshipper! That does not work :-)

RR


[quote="Chawla"]Respected Rohiniranjan ji, Rishirahul ji, Astrobhadhauria ji and others
Just out of frustration & feelings of failures, I initiated this question. I am very much thankful to you and appreciate your kind concern for helping people like me. I feel sorry to respond back very late.

After reading your responses, I feel that all rajyogas in the horoscope may appears to be making a native very lucky in materialistic persuits but the LUCKIEST person is the one who has total faith in theory of karma and total faith in his own freewill which is basically result from the ture faith in the supreme mother nature. In other words - one's own positive character. Whatsoever, is there in the rajyogas will have its end one day but one's own strong & positive character would be the only worth aspiring asset in life.

Thanks again

Regards[/quote]