Absolutely!
I think some panchaangs and ephemeris using different algorithm and bases and seed values come up with different dates. It has nothing to do with ayanamsha.

Now entry into a sign is a different matter. We have to wait for that when the tests are completed and we see the conduct and quality of same!

RR


[quote="arian_1c"][quote="Phantom"]
even different panchangs give different positions, except for that i found 1 thing in common
all predicted saturn's direct movement from april 19
raman's says saturn will movie into leo by july 1st week
others say its on 15th july
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no matter what ayanamsa you use, the direct motion of Saturn has to be at the very same moment because its only got to do with the longitudinal difference between Sun and Saturn.... it makes no difference if you add or subtract a common figure to/from their respective longitudinal measures, the essential difference between them will remain the same...

sahil[/quote]

i've noticed that retro ends on 20th april 2007  at 34 mins past midnight
all ayanamsas and panchangs that i've seen agreed to this
though saturn and sun's position(which control retro motion) are different but their relative positions(both at 108deg apart) are same in all calculations

and suddenly i've seen too many changes around
there was a stormy rain and powercut around 11:30 pm on 19th and when power was back, my calculations were done and time was 12:35 am, exactly 1 min after retro became direct

but for accurate judgement i've wait till july and check with ppl born with saturn retros

after studying drik siddanta and purva ganit i feel al panchang writers in india are correct and are writing panchangs acc. to their living place but not IST.(when we make enuf time corrrection, all are almost same)

also following ayanamsa and using sayana positions, and deductiions look stupid and were neer recommended by any indian sage

[quote="Phantom"]after studying drik siddanta and purva ganit i feel al panchang writers in india are correct and are writing panchangs acc. to their living place but not IST.(when we make enuf time corrrection, all are almost same)

also following ayanamsa and using sayana positions, and deductiions look stupid and were neer recommended by any indian sage[/quote]

Dear forum member,

Since my earlier response did not get posted due to internet problems or was removed by the moderator.

You are entitled to your opinion, but those who have used the traditional indian calculations have never been able to prove or demonstrate that those values are more accurate or relevant to jyotish :-)

I know I may be offending some belief systems but nothing in your post is really convincing me that what you say has been actually verified practically or holds water, shall we say?

Give some examples if you ever manage to work a few out to illustrate your strong-sounding conclusions ;-)

RR

i see that k.p/nc lahiri ayanamsa are close and correct.
according to them saturn is moving into leo today

and i'm alredy seeing results