dear vivekji, and others too...

         won't the predictions change with the house system one employs...?
     
         and what is the house division system being used in most of the astro software...? they all give the same chart for my data, so they all must have the same house system, which must be the one most commonly followed, if not the most accurate...?

I have repeated my understanding of this 'house-business' many times but it seems that my words are landing like tushar-bindu landing on the heated saucepan!

The unequal housedivision is earth-bound. It is a phenomenon that is very dependent on the earth-based systems. Western astrology uses the earth-based zodiac, the seasonal zodiac in which the first point of Aries coincides with the vernal equinox, the first day of spring (northern hemisphere). This zodiac has no correspondance with the celestial ecliptic based zodiac that jyotish and other sidereal zodiac systems use! When jyotishis say mars is in scorpio, if you look up, mars would be seen streaming against the scorpio constellation! In the tropical zodiac (earth based) at that point mars would be probably in sagittarius!

The two zodiacs meet every 25000 years or so, as the earth completes one polar wobble! The last time the two zodiacs coincided was about 2000 years ago when early texts of western astrology (Tetrabiblios by Ptolemy etc) were written!

When you are using an earth-based zodiac and astrological system, you would have to take into account the earth-based unequal house division systems because they essentially define the "zodiac" you have chosen to use!

Jyotish uses the celestial constellational zodiac, each of the signs of which is a house by itself. One may quibble that they may not each be 30 degrees and so on, but the rest can simply continue to use the entire sign as a bhav and for most of us that would be all we need.

The software (jyotish ones anyway) allow you to use the whole sign as a house or the equal house division (cusp plus/minus 15 degrees defines the boundaries of a house).

Until a good body of evidence is collected, demonstrated, discussed and validated in favour of unequal houses or even equal house division in Jyotish, my simple principle is: If it ain't broke, do not fix it!

To each his own, of course ...

RR



[quote="jaydoc"]well, it looks like one of the most fundamental tenets of astrology is not being practised rightly by most jyothishis, at least in India. Maybe this is a very important reason why jyothish has not been very accurate or helpful to many.

dear RRji, babaji, bhadauriaji and others, could anyone of you tell me a book or point me to a link tht explains the most accurate method of house division....?[/quote]

There are two realities: Newtonian and Quantum, as modern Physics has now recognized and validated.

The Newtonian Universe is what most scientists and rationalists know and love, because it is better understood, more predictable and works mostly like a streamlined, well designed machine.

All applied scientists (for instance engineers and doctors) love that realm because it increases certainties, reduces unwelcome surprises and reduce headaches for them as they build their bridges and mansions or treat patients.

The Quantum reality is more ephemeral, almost mystical but while it is full of uncertainties (and not all of those unpredictable -- as Heisenberg demonstrated/observed) it is also full of possibilities that expand our Newtonian Universe or Newtonian window into Total Reality!

Jyotish is something that bridges the two view portals. Its springboard is Newtonian reality, because we calculate planets and all other astronomical stuff using Newtonian principles. But once the chart is erected we begin to use this Newtonian map to delve into the Quantum reality that the HUMAN EXPERIENCE as I call it, really is! Think about that for a minute!

There is nothing in astrological 'logic' that is readily explainable based on Newtonian mindsets! And yet we keep testing astrology through Newtonian paradigms and reach nowhere or worse: wrong conclusions as to how astrology works! How karma works, how the spirit reality that astrology tunes into works! And we run into the conundrum that has intrigued and frustrated physicists for many many years: Is light a wave or particle!

To some extent medicine also presents a similar experience. The machines, the diagnostic protocols and SOPs, the precise medication and doses and all that surrounds it are to a large extent Newtonian, but given all things equal, disease, background, constitution, sometimes even genes (identical twins), the two individuals respond differently to the same disease with one showing an incredible will to live while the other giving up readily. That to me represents the Quantum glimpse that reminds us that there is a halo around the Newtonian principles -- some choose to call that halo an angel, soul, even GOD!

RR

dear RRji,

        Its nice to hear these words of wisdom from you, so often, and i only wish i had been fated to meet you earlier, but then you might again sort of tease me by saying, everything will happen at its own pre-ordained time.....!

        I'm sure my posts all over the WWW would have amply made you aware of my deep interest in astrology, and also my predicament regarding my career....!

        Its been very much interesting to visit these forums and others frequented by people like you. For me its my first ever fulfillment of my hope -  of meeting astrologers and Jyothishis who, while genuinely well-versed in astrology, are at the same time not too overwhelmed by it as to the extent of being blinded by all it proclaims - Newtonian minds around a quantum heart - to borrow from your analogy....!

        Now to return to the issue at hand, i understand tht until its found to be broken it need not be fixed - so i will go on discovering the nectar in the jyothish flower using the same equal division method only....!

Jay,

You have what it takes to be a good astrologer and a great doctor. You can experience the brain and heart at the same time, in other words you are a poet!

Have you noticed that most Jyotish classics (except for portions of vrihat samhita) were written in verses! It is easy to express something like astrology in prose (most writers today) but it is difficult to express the soul of astrology in metered verse! For that alone, the Sages must be adored and admired and paid serious attention to.

Early, late, right time wrong time, preordained?? Why is the quantum heart getting trapped into those Newtonian limitations?

While you wait for the career to unfold, assume the stance that the Universe is not your enemy! When a path seems blocked or more difficult than it should be, perhaps it is a signal that you are not looking for alternatives to better utilize the Newtonian time ;-)

Sometimes, the more we strain, the more difficult the passage becomes! Relaxing and letting go, on the Doctor (Upstairs) prescribed! Try it!!

RR



[quote="jaydoc"]dear RRji,

        Its nice to hear these words of wisdom from you, so often, and i only wish i had been fated to meet you earlier, but then you might again sort of tease me by saying, everything will happen at its own pre-ordained time.....!

        I'm sure my posts all over the WWW would have amply made you aware of my deep interest in astrology, and also my predicament regarding my career....!

        Its been very much interesting to visit these forums and others frequented by people like you. For me its my first ever fulfillment of my hope -  of meeting astrologers and Jyothishis who, while genuinely well-versed in astrology, are at the same time not too overwhelmed by it as to the extent of being blinded by all it proclaims - Newtonian minds around a quantum heart - to borrow from your analogy....!

        Now to return to the issue at hand, i understand tht until its found to be broken it need not be fixed - so i will go on discovering the nectar in the jyothish flower using the same equal division method only....![/quote]