Nechiji and Agnihotriji,

The point I am trying to make, rather try to understand is:= that you had mentioned in the enclosed quote that Navamsha should be exclusively used for marriage purposes only.

Then later you backtracked from your mentioned quote agrreing /stating that from Navamsha other areas may be studied to allowed me to arrive to the conclusion that there is some confusion in your minds  OR you were not sure OR you are not well versed with the Science.

Do have the humility to accept the matter,  as you must understand that making strong quotes misleading for the readers and learners of this vaued forum can lead to incorrect understanding.

If you go through this thread from the start to now you will surely understand what I mean.
Surely you would not like the readers of this forum to be mislead?

Sincerely,

RishiRahul

Nechiji,

Your considering Vargottama to know the strength of the planet or planets is wrong. Wrong, not according to just myself.... but according to the teachings of Astrology from the Vedas.

Your contention that .........."You as moderator can simply insert a general remark that anybody with a different opinion than yours should learn astrology in your forum.".... ... The matter was not my opinion; in fact my opinion was not there which created the understanding. It was your confusion regarding the use of Navamsha.


Vargottama is not used to judge the 'strength' or 'bala' of a planet. The state of Vargottama is not a measure of planetory strength

To judge strengths of planets Shad bala and Vimsopaka balas are used.

Vargottama is a like a 'confirmation' of a state etc.

As a moderator it is my duty to also try to keep a watch on misleading matters, and also keep a check on quality content.

Regarding the quality of the classes everyone is reserved to their views.

Misleading statements, when pointed out, should be accepted with humility. Humility is a quality of good learning.  Acceptance is very important.

RishiRahul

We consider vargottama to know the strength of the planet and judge the matter taking into consideration only the rasi.[/quote]

Nechiji,

Your considering Vargottama to know the strength of the planet or planets is wrong. Wrong, not according to just myself.... but according to the teachings of Astrology from the Vedas.


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As good scholars, we must go beyond our pet theories and confront truth in the face. Unfortunately, none of us have all aspects of truth. So what we have in common therefore is our incessant push for that truth. For that, a wonderful forum such as this can be a blessed platform for the revelations we seek.

My own statement on saying that the Vargottama very easily reveals the focus of that graha in relation to that varga is one of sheer repeated application. I have taught my students this simple and effective technique since 1986, but our studies are far from over. Anyone can do this. For instance, a tabulated format of the vargas with the rasi positions of the vargas at the top will visually display the grahas in vargottama, and for which varga, extremely efficiently. What you can do next, and instantly, is to 'assume' that THAT planet becomes a 'significant channel' for the expression of the issue represented by that varga. That's it. It's a simple observation, and it works.

But to say that this is wrong, is bad scholarship. The integrity of our growth in this holy gnana depends a lot on our scholastic dignity. Adherence to established dictums is a good prerequisite to safe scholarship, but the lack of zest for further discoveries is self-defeating. Truth does not have to be discovered by a doyen of science. It can be discovered by anyone blessed with alertness and vision. If no initiative is put in the attempt to try what others have seen, what others have repeatedly proven as a group for many years, then it is not a matter of lack of aptitude, but of attitude. Then the collective loses another small component of truth that will add to the greater truth.

In fact, it is in highest regard to the spirit of the mahacharyas that we participate in collective conferencing; by 'sharing' views and insights only after due experimentation and observation rather than just accepting things on face value and by faith alone. Everyone is invited to experiment on what is said and offered. If you reject others' experiences as improbable opinions, then it's still perfectly alright. Everybody will continue with their experiences, and the universe still continues to grow.

'Misleading statements' might be a challenge to established authority to some, but for the truth seeker, it implies that something is benchmarked against a statement of fact. The insight that says the "vargottama giving strength to that graha in that varga" is based on someone's factual experience, must be respected to credit their hard work and practices. In fact, it is saying 'a misleading statement' that incites rebuttal. Not concurring with another's experience does not nullify that experience. There's so much book study offers, there's even more field work offers. Let's all study successfully together.

May All Be Illumined.

Agnihotri













Your contention that .........."You as moderator can simply insert a general remark that anybody with a different opinion than yours should learn astrology in your forum.".... ... The matter was not my opinion; in fact my opinion was not there which created the understanding. It was your confusion regarding the use of Navamsha.


Vargottama is not used to judge the 'strength' or 'bala' of a planet. The state of Vargottama is not a measure of planetory strength

To judge strengths of planets Shad bala and Vimsopaka balas are used.

Vargottama is a like a 'confirmation' of a state etc.

As a moderator it is my duty to also try to keep a watch on misleading matters, and also keep a check on quality content.

Regarding the quality of the classes everyone is reserved to their views.

Misleading statements, when pointed out, should be accepted with humility. Humility is a quality of good learning.  Acceptance is very important.

RishiRahul[/quote]

This part was not from me (Agnihotri):



Nechiji,

Your considering Vargottama to know the strength of the planet or planets is wrong. Wrong, not according to just myself.... but according to the teachings of Astrology from the Vedas.


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My (Agnihotri) response starts here:


As good scholars, we must go beyond our pet theories and confront truth in the face. Unfortunately, none of us have all aspects of truth. So what we have in common therefore is our incessant push for that truth. For that, a wonderful forum such as this can be a blessed platform for the revelations we seek.

My own statement on saying that the Vargottama very easily reveals the focus of that graha in relation to that varga is one of sheer repeated application. I have taught my students this simple and effective technique since 1986, but our studies are far from over. Anyone can do this. For instance, a tabulated format of the vargas with the rasi positions of the vargas at the top will visually display the grahas in vargottama, and for which varga, extremely efficiently. What you can do next, and instantly, is to 'assume' that THAT planet becomes a 'significant channel' for the expression of the issue represented by that varga. That's it. It's a simple observation, and it works.

But to say that this is wrong, is bad scholarship. The integrity of our growth in this holy gnana depends a lot on our scholastic dignity. Adherence to established dictums is a good prerequisite to safe scholarship, but the lack of zest for further discoveries is self-defeating. Truth does not have to be discovered by a doyen of science. It can be discovered by anyone blessed with alertness and vision. If no initiative is put in the attempt to try what others have seen, what others have repeatedly proven as a group for many years, then it is not a matter of lack of aptitude, but of attitude. Then the collective loses another small component of truth that will add to the greater truth.

In fact, it is in highest regard to the spirit of the mahacharyas that we participate in collective conferencing; by 'sharing' views and insights only after due experimentation and observation rather than just accepting things on face value and by faith alone. Everyone is invited to experiment on what is said and offered. If you reject others' experiences as improbable opinions, then it's still perfectly alright. Everybody will continue with their experiences, and the universe still continues to grow.

'Misleading statements' might be a challenge to established authority to some, but for the truth seeker, it implies that something is benchmarked against a statement of fact. The insight that says the "vargottama giving strength to that graha in that varga" is based on someone's factual experience, must be respected to credit their hard work and practices. In fact, it is saying 'a misleading statement' that incites rebuttal. Not concurring with another's experience does not nullify that experience. There's so much book study offers, there's even more field work offers. Let's all study successfully together.

May All Be Illumined.

Agnihotri













Your contention that .........."You as moderator can simply insert a general remark that anybody with a different opinion than yours should learn astrology in your forum.".... ... The matter was not my opinion; in fact my opinion was not there which created the understanding. It was your confusion regarding the use of Navamsha.


Vargottama is not used to judge the 'strength' or 'bala' of a planet. The state of Vargottama is not a measure of planetory strength

To judge strengths of planets Shad bala and Vimsopaka balas are used.

Vargottama is a like a 'confirmation' of a state etc.

As a moderator it is my duty to also try to keep a watch on misleading matters, and also keep a check on quality content.

Regarding the quality of the classes everyone is reserved to their views.

Misleading statements, when pointed out, should be accepted with humility. Humility is a quality of good learning.  Acceptance is very important.

RishiRahul[/quote][/quote]

Friends,

Not trying to get into the *crossfire* of gigantic proportions that are going on in this thread, I use a simple explanation.

Sattwic is about clear vision, What you see is what you get! Like a pure brahmin or anyone living a pure life.

Rajasik is about learning to see clearly though often through coloured glasses that do come off from time to time.

Tamasika is about not even trying to see and going on and on with one's understanding and distortions and colourations simply seem to be the ever existent state.


As we know, there are Sattwick, rajasic and tamasic drekkanas/dreshkanas/drekkonas/decanates.

You will find that ALL vargottama navamshas lie in sattvik dreshkanas. Clarity to the power two!

Now re-read what I wrote about Sattwik...

PLease carry on...

RR


[quote="Agnihotri"]This part was not from me (Agnihotri):

[quote="Agnihotri"]We consider vargottama to know the strength of the planet and judge the matter taking into consideration only the rasi.[/quote]

Nechiji,

Your considering Vargottama to know the strength of the planet or planets is wrong. Wrong, not according to just myself.... but according to the teachings of Astrology from the Vedas.


-------------------------------------------------------


My (Agnihotri) response starts here:


As good scholars, we must go beyond our pet theories and confront truth in the face. Unfortunately, none of us have all aspects of truth. So what we have in common therefore is our incessant push for that truth. For that, a wonderful forum such as this can be a blessed platform for the revelations we seek.

My own statement on saying that the Vargottama very easily reveals the focus of that graha in relation to that varga is one of sheer repeated application. I have taught my students this simple and effective technique since 1986, but our studies are far from over. Anyone can do this. For instance, a tabulated format of the vargas with the rasi positions of the vargas at the top will visually display the grahas in vargottama, and for which varga, extremely efficiently. What you can do next, and instantly, is to 'assume' that THAT planet becomes a 'significant channel' for the expression of the issue represented by that varga. That's it. It's a simple observation, and it works.

But to say that this is wrong, is bad scholarship. The integrity of our growth in this holy gnana depends a lot on our scholastic dignity. Adherence to established dictums is a good prerequisite to safe scholarship, but the lack of zest for further discoveries is self-defeating. Truth does not have to be discovered by a doyen of science. It can be discovered by anyone blessed with alertness and vision. If no initiative is put in the attempt to try what others have seen, what others have repeatedly proven as a group for many years, then it is not a matter of lack of aptitude, but of attitude. Then the collective loses another small component of truth that will add to the greater truth.

In fact, it is in highest regard to the spirit of the mahacharyas that we participate in collective conferencing; by 'sharing' views and insights only after due experimentation and observation rather than just accepting things on face value and by faith alone. Everyone is invited to experiment on what is said and offered. If you reject others' experiences as improbable opinions, then it's still perfectly alright. Everybody will continue with their experiences, and the universe still continues to grow.

'Misleading statements' might be a challenge to established authority to some, but for the truth seeker, it implies that something is benchmarked against a statement of fact. The insight that says the "vargottama giving strength to that graha in that varga" is based on someone's factual experience, must be respected to credit their hard work and practices. In fact, it is saying 'a misleading statement' that incites rebuttal. Not concurring with another's experience does not nullify that experience. There's so much book study offers, there's even more field work offers. Let's all study successfully together.

May All Be Illumined.

Agnihotri













Your contention that .........."You as moderator can simply insert a general remark that anybody with a different opinion than yours should learn astrology in your forum.".... ... The matter was not my opinion; in fact my opinion was not there which created the understanding. It was your confusion regarding the use of Navamsha.


Vargottama is not used to judge the 'strength' or 'bala' of a planet. The state of Vargottama is not a measure of planetory strength

To judge strengths of planets Shad bala and Vimsopaka balas are used.

Vargottama is a like a 'confirmation' of a state etc.

As a moderator it is my duty to also try to keep a watch on misleading matters, and also keep a check on quality content.

Regarding the quality of the classes everyone is reserved to their views.

Misleading statements, when pointed out, should be accepted with humility. Humility is a quality of good learning.  Acceptance is very important.

RishiRahul[/quote][/quote][/quote]