[quote="basab"]Rohiniranjanji,
Thank you so much for explaining the KSY yoga.[/quote]


Dear Basab,

Have you ever wondered about something?

Kalsarpa yoga has been pronounced as the BANE of humanity and human experience!

Why has it been called a YOGA?

And not Arishta or Dosha as the classical terms go for bad combinations?

Yoga generally refers to a positive influence...

Food for thought?

I am fighting some jyotishis with a rather concrete, fundamentalistic view of jyotish and the world in fact elsewhere! I am calling the term "gentle dictator" as two adjectives and not an adjective followed by a noun as grammar would force us to believe in!

Irrelevant, some say?

Well, fact of the matter is: there are NO gentle dictators as in a dictator of a country who is also gentle and kind!

We use the term gentle dictator for otherwise regular even ordinary individuals, sometimes parents, who did not mean harm and were gentle but also dictatorial! Ergo, dual adjectives! Since no INDIVIDUAL exists who will be classifiable as a dictator in its NOUN form (Hitler, Pinochet, Saddam, I better stop here ...) and at the same time GENTLE -- therefore one who is dictatorial (adjective 1) and yet gentle (adjective 2) will be a gentle dictator and represent two adjectives, two qualifiers! The real problem is that the NOUN (INDIVIDUAL) could be anyone and may actually be fighting the obvious concept that *gentle dictator* = 2 adjectives and not an adjective followed by a noun!

In Jyotish too, classical and contemporary! Sometimes it is best to move away from the "grammar" box and be a free thinker! The symbols and essence of Jyotish is not earth-bound and taught in our tightly-controlled schools, but a chance to observe and interact with the real school: MOTHER NATURE and its wonderful laboratories and libraries! Like that lake I described recently ...!

Rishi Ji, thanks for your comments and appreciation. Here's my take....




Oh, well, maybe not completely, but it's not an "Oh my God!!!! Run!!!! Monster!!!!" type of thing. KN Rao has said many times in his interviews with News Channels that Kal Sarpa Yog is false and has been created to scare people and eat their money by these so-called "Upayacharees."




You know what people with "Kal Sarpa Yog" always seem to fall in some hurdles, and even when the approach Astrologers - on most occasions they happen to visit these so-called Kal Sarpa specialists. Bang!  




Rahu is the future. It is the head and has the power to look beyond the horizon - something no other planet can. Rahu is the future. Ketu is the past. It holds onto the past. It doesn't easily let us forget the past. On a different note, generally these sub-conscious flashbacks and the memories we store out of the conscious - the sub-conscious - is related with Ketu. Hence, for professions like psychology, psychiatry, therapy, counseling, etc Ketu is a prime signification and people in these professions usually have a deep and developed Ketu usually in Spiritual Triangle (1, 5, 9) or the Artha houses (4, 8, 12) in combination with planets like Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, or Saturn.

Rahu deems us to forget the past and "look" at the future. Ketu wants us to relive the past and hold on to it. If all the planets are in between Rahu (Future) and Ketu (Past), now the evolution of such a person becomes retrograde. What I mean? In this case, the past of the person haunts the future. This psychological obstruction inhibits a person to live freely and go for his/her dreams. It creates a psychological hurdle - a complication within the person. In addition, such people rarely forget their past, which creates another problem.

On the contrary, if planets are in between Ketu and Rahu, the blend of the past, present, and future is top-notch; hence, astrologers claim that this "Kal Sarpa Yog" is less dangerous, mainly because the psychological hurdle is lesser as compared to the previous one. However, this combination also has a few problems. Generally, it makes a person too materialistic, if other factors support it in the chart. These people utilize their past experiences to create a materialistic sensation and aim for a materialistic progression. Of course, other factors must also support this, but generally, this combination also creates people who make the best out of their experiences and have a lot to offer in life.

About the same lives represented by Rahu (Later Life) and Ketu (Earlier Life), you know people who have Rahu in the earlier houses tend to relate with the house/sign Rahu is placed more in their early years, and are more psychologically sound. While, people who have Ketu in the later houses tend to relate more with Ketu, the house, and the sign in their later years, and develop a deep sense of spirituality and wisdom as they progress in life. Other factors remaining constant, obviously! Rahu in the 3rd house is the exception, as it is supposed to destroy all the Doshas in the chart, if Rahu is in the 3rd. Well they say so....

Additionally, this also shows how a person utilizes the knowledge gained by him/her in the span of his life. Ketu is knowledge, while Rahu is utilization, so you gain something to utilize it. It all works in cricles you know, which is probably why Rahu and Ketu are the most mystical planets in Astrology.  




Is that for me? Well, if so, then I'm as 21 as 21 can get.  

RishiRahul=Then an advice. You have long way to go. Many hurdles will come in your way as you grow up  and enter 'Maya' more.

RisiRahul

Rishi Ji, yes, it would scare you and me also, but that's virtually a product of the over-hyped Yog that is Kal Sarpa Yog!  

You know something. Balance of life is not something everybody possesses with or without Kal Sarpa Yog. You will hardly find people leading a balanced life these days. Yes, I agree that Rahu and Ketu play a pivotal role in hindering that aspect of life because these two are all about Karma and Dharma.

I know quite a few people with Kal Sarpa Yog, and of course, they are leading completely different lives, yet something, something called as "dissatisfaction" concerns them all. They have their problems and complications, which affects their lives. Here this Yog plays a crucial role - more than any other combination.




I respect your opinion. You have rich knowledge and memories of Astrology, and I am just learning - just starting out, but I pardon to differ here. Out there in this materialistic world, the modern Astrologers have made a mockery of this divine art. They give emphasis to Yog like Kal Sarpa Yog, Mangleek Dosha, etc; while completely disregard the real gems of Astrology - the 9 planets. Am I generalizing? Maybe yes. But, what I know is Astrologers today are mostly "Upayacharees" rather than "Jyotish Gurus." These people have made out a big deal of Kal Sarpa Yog, Mangleek Dosha, etc.

KN Rao once stated that a woman had to come to her and was very anxious because some Astrologer claimed that she had Mangleek Dosha, which would prove fatal in their relationship. KN Rao analyzed the women's chart and asked the women, "Is your husband in Army?" She replied yes. KN Rao said, "That's your Mangleek Dosha." Nothing to worry.

The divine thing here is that Mangleek Dosha creates a separation between husband/wife. Depending on strength, the separation can be mutual or due to discord. As it is, malefics are known to separate spouses from one another, whether it is mutual or due to discords is another issue and depends upon other factors.

Kal Sarpa Yog creates a separation internally, as Rahu-Ketu act internally. It creates mental confusion in sectors denoted by Rahu and Ketu. Simply, people having Rahu in the 2nd house and Ketu in 8th, and all planets amidst them; what happens? Such people are ever concerned by their financial lockers. Huh? Similarly, people with Kal Sarpa Yog in the 4-10 axis; such people have less 4th house traits and more 10th house traits. Now, that may not be physically apparent, but more internally evolving! This is where the magic lies.  

Astrology is an art. A chart tells us the story of the 9 planets in a beautiful way. We have the calculations and all, but Phalit Jyotish is an art, a beautiful representation of our lives through the reference point of the 9 planets that guide our destiny. Should we really put one above the other? Not really because all have equal roles to play in our lives. Hence, we should balance all the planets and not just focus on one Yog, but the hundreds of Yogas in our chart!




Thank you for acknowledging my words!

Over-reacting is a word I'd associate with Kal Sarpa as well.




I'm just starting and with the help of experienced people like you, I'm sure I'll learn something.

Saturn also has a say in using shortcuts in life. Saturn wants you to use the long walk; Rahu being the head motivates us to use shortcuts and fail miserably. This is where Saturn comes into play. You use shortcuts, and you'll fail because Saturn spares nobody. The classic story of Bhole Shankar comes into imagination!




Rahu in 3rd can create a Lord Ram or a Kansha. It can make somebody a saint or it can make somebody a monster. It all depends upon other influences.




Maya and Moha are two things that can destroy human beings. Since we are talking about Rahu, Rahu plays a significant role in this as well. Ketu wants us to attain spirituality, but Rahu motivates us to experience the materialistic world, and drown in it. Another reason for the complication that is life today!  

Rohinranjanji,

Thanks you so much for the wonderful post on KSY.I got a bit confused again by ChanDubai's post on KSY.  What he is saying as KSY is the complete opposite of what you said about how KSY
is formed.


ChanDubai: "What i learned on the net is- If all the planets hemmed btwn Rahu and Ketu and from Acendant if you see clockwise....all these hemmed planets starts from Rahu and ends with Ketu then it is called "Kaal Amruta Yoga" which some astrologers say it is *Good* If it is other way round then it is called KSY!..."

Rohiniranjan: "Rahu and ketu have predominantly a retrograde motion. Rahu will progress or transit from leo to cancer to gemini to taurus, etc. If rahu-ketu axis falls in leo-aquarius in a chart, then if all planets are in the path of rahu as it progresses (backwards) they will be contacted by the north node. I consider that to be KSY. So planets in this example will be distributed in pisces to cancer."  

Suppose a person has Rahu in Aries and Ketu in Libra then if all the planets are in the signs Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn, Sagittarius and Scorpio then I guess it is KSY, am I right in my thinking? Please confirm.

I am asking this because in all the websites it's mentioned that KSY is formed when all the planets are in the left hand side of the Rahu-Ketu axis which is what not what you said.