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Let's Talk About (Eighth House) Sex
swetha
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Forget global warming. What’s going to bring about the demise of civilization as we know it is the twisted attitude toward sex and sexuality, especially in the United States. (I’m exaggerating of course, but stay with me – there’s a method to my madness.)

One of the things that really bugs me is the fashion trend that has slogans emblazoned on T-shirts and shorts, with phrases like “hottie” and “I like boys with big toys.”

Yes, maybe I’m an old feminist crank, but has anybody stopped and thought this through? I can see titillating T-shirts for older girls and college women, but for pre-teens? I’ve even seen them being sold to girls of elementary school age.

I don’t know about you, but when I was in elementary school, I didn’t know about “boys’ toys.” My friends Jeff and Stevie and I were too busy playing spaceship with an old refrigerator box, or having a funeral for my turtle. Jeff and the other boys were my buddies and I never thought about them in “that way.” I guess times were really that much more innocent – children were allowed to just be children.

Along with the T-shirts, there are also slogans on shorts, words placed right on the buttocks, which is actually kind of funny/sad, especially when the young lady has a little too much “avoirdupois” in the rump.

Reminds me of the Aldous Huxley novel Ape and Essence, set in an “Utopian” future where the one character – a sweet young thing -- minces around teasing the men, with pants that say “yes” on one butt cheek and “no” on the other.

I was thinking about this fashion and marketing trend of sexy slogans on clothes as I was writing Chapter 11 of my new book, Houses: A Contemporary Guide (Llewellyn, July 2006).

Not to sound totally old and “square,” but I was also musing sadly on the teenage phenomenon of “friends with benefits.” As far as I can tell, this is when girls and guys hang out together – not really dating or having a relationship – but the girls are supposed to give the guys the added “fringe benefit” of sex.

It was interesting to consider all this stuff at the same time I was writing the chapter on the Eighth House – a kind of synchronicity, where the material almost presented itself and jump-started the writing process.

How did this get started? Well, what actually happened was a not-too-bright neighbor knocked on my door and yelled at me for “hogging the laundry room.” She was really mad! I pointed out to her that it wasn’t my laundry and as she stomped away, I noticed she had shorts on that read “can’t touch this” on the rear end. With her New Joisey accent and attitude as well as various piercings, she was a caricature -- and a silly one at that.

But sometimes the Universe sends you a gift. My writing process had been blocked and I wondered how I would open the chapter with all this difficult subject matter on sexuality? And voila, the answer was spelled out on my neighbor’s tushie.

The chapter I was struggling with was about the Eighth House, the section of the natal astrological chart that resonates with the darker mysteries of life, death, communal property as well as sex and sexuality.

As with all the chapters, I found current events and life experiences informing the writing process, and wove many of these things into the text, hoping that they would contribute to the healing message I was trying to impart. Houses: A Contemporary Guide ended up being much more than an astrology book because of this.

My overall intention was to present an updated look at house-based astrology, as opposed to solar, lunar or planetary astrology, but also to give the readers a healing message. The twelve houses in a person’s chart hold common themes that are all part of the human condition – childhood, physical appearance, personality, career, relationships, spiritual growth, money, etc. Knowing the strengths and challenges of the planetary placements within the houses will hopefully help the reader to understand themselves, and spark a healing process if need be. But of all the houses, with the possible exception of the Twelfth House and its lessons in karma and spirituality, the Eighth House contains some of the most difficult issues human beings must contemplate.

Among these, the Eighth House has to do with mature, meaningful sexuality – sex not so much for sport, but as a beautiful, ancient circumstance that can bring about a connection with spirit and divinity.

Take, for example, a holistic, yogic look at sexuality. For those who study healing and are familiar with the chakras – the body’s energy centers -- our reproductive organs and genitals are associated with the second chakra. The sign of Scorpio is linked to this part of the body (each sign governs a certain part of the body) and it’s linked naturally with the Eighth House as well. This second chakra is one of the most primal areas of the body, a place where humans evolved beyond our relatives in the ape kingdom.

We know of course that reproductive organs are necessary for the very continuation of the species. But consider this: the discovery that mating could take place face to face was not only a giant step forward in the evolution of mating and sociology but a leap in human consciousness. Now sex wasn’t merely a biological act to satisfy the man’s various “itches” and to add to the tribe’s ranks.

When humans evolved enough to make love face to face, the soul and the essence of sexuality evolved as well. (Interestingly, dolphins also make love face to face.) It is not only the genitals that come together, all the chakras are connected. The physical act of sex brings energy up through the lower chakras, through the heart, throat and eyes and - in the moment of ecstasy - through the crown and outward into the universe. At this time, we experience a brief moment when we shed our egos and touch the Universal Source - satori, nirvana, the Goddess. Oneness.

A person with planets emphasized in the Eighth House, or Scorpio on the cusp would be inclined to understand this power of sexuality and they would be interested in the deeper meaning of sex. Personally, my thoughts on this matter were stirred almost 20 years ago when I first discovered the Motherpeace round tarot deck and its companion books, created by author Vicki Noble. With its many references to and images drawn from ancient goddess spirituality, Noble writes about the divinity of sexual union. Her explanation of the deeper meaning of “The Lovers” card in the tarot really sums up this complex, but beautiful philosophy about lovemaking – and resonates perfectly with the essence of the Eighth House.

“When two serious lovers come together in mutual respect and reverence for the sacred energy, a union takes place in which they understand without words the true loving nature of the world,” Noble writes. “They experience their bodies as temples of the Goddess, wherein their hearts may open without doubt, criticism, anger, or egotistical needs. With practice they can achieve great sensitivity, and each time they come together, old patterns drop away and the new forms become more accessible. Tantric sages suggest that one may cure all illness through this means and achieve ‘longevity,’ as well as the deepest possible understanding of mysteries that lie beyond words.” (1)

Yes, there is great beauty in mature, loving sexuality, the kind the Eighth House describes. On the other hand, challenging aspects to planets in the Eighth House may make the native preoccupied with some of the baser forms of sexual exploitation, things we have seen more and more in the age of high technology. Child pornography, violence and even ritualistic murder can be lived vicariously through the Internet or visual recordings.

Happily, those with challenges to the Eighth House are also able to dig deep and use their profound insight to handle thorny issues, such as sex addictions or quirks.

But back to the sexy slogans and “friends with benefits.” I’m not sure where we’re going as a society when we teach young girls how to titillate. Read just about every young woman’s magazine and the publications really put this message out there, which cheapens sexuality. I foresee that this mindset will encourage boys to grow up believing it’s normal for women to always be “hot,” available and submissive without the need for any kind of emotional connection, and especially without love.

I’m also afraid there will be, at least, a prevalence of dysfunctional attitudes about relationships and love. In the worst cases, a new generation of men will grow up believing it’s OK to commit violence toward women, the “that’s what they’re for” attitude that we saw with the recent rape case at Duke University.

If our young sisters (and brothers) focus only on the frivolous, degrading and sometimes dangerous aspects of sex, I feel there will be little appreciation for its more spiritual aspects, the kind of depth the Eighth House resonates with.

An individual with a group of planets in the Eighth House, or like me, several planets in Scorpio, is interested in this more meaningful way of loving -- passion, understanding and making connections through sexuality.

There are some bright spots about this subject matter, however. We have articles, books, DVDs and courses that explore the more esoteric, spiritual aspects of sexuality, such as tantric yoga. Perhaps it’s a generational divide – when the hormones settle down as we age, we can better connect the heart and soul with the genitals.

So yes, light is being shed on this powerful aspect of human life and we recognize that in the last few decades we’re able to talk more openly about sexuality. It’s one of the aspects of the Eighth House – rife with difficult but universal subject matter – that needs more discussion and understanding.

Perhaps another “unmentionable” element of the Eighth House – death – will be the next profound part of life that will be brought into the light.

(1) Vicki Noble, Motherpeace: A Way to the Goddess Through Myth, Art, and Tarot (Harper & Row, San Francisco, 1982), p. 64.


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Well, Don't know what to say. Ppl give more importance to Sex than love these days.

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that coz love doesn't exist in this world and all its related feelings are part of maaya.

8th house is not about sex, its secret affairs, illicit or extra-marital affairs, dark secrets a person tries to hide etc

if 8th house is stronger, a person can have secrets thru out life
if 6th house is stronger, his/her secrets are exposed to everyone

stronger in the sense, planets viewing it, in it, its lord when compared to lagna lord
Sexuality through 7th and 8th House !!!
Milind
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Hi everyone, its very interesting to see new and interesting topics are coming to the forums. I want to add a little on Sexuality with respect to 7th & 8th house. These to are decider houses for Sex. If 4th and 5th Houses are about Love and Passion then 7th and 8th are Houses are next step of Love and Passion i.e. Sex and Sexual Satisfaction.

"HERE I AM DIRECTLY SPEAKING ON SEXUALITY, RELATED TOPICS AND FACTS - I HOPE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE ISSUES RELATED TO THAT"

General Karakas of Sex are,

1. Mars - Physical Strength, Boldness, Courage
2. Venus - Beauty, Love, Material Desire

Other Planets are Special Effects in this matter (BUT ESSENTIAL)


General Readings about Sexuality through Signs, Houses and Planets.

1. If Planets like Mars/Sun/Jupiter in Union with Rahu/Saturn are in 7th House, then the Penis of of Native will be Bigger in Size (It will also increases Sexual Urge of the Native), So his Sexual Partner should be having similar Planet will be better. If Woman is having Moon in 7th House then the Size of Vagina will be Smaller causing Problem for Both. Again Monn in Kendra will create Emotional Problem for Native.

2. If Water Signs (Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces are in 7th House) then Vagina of Native is always wet (In other words the AROUSAL is strong). This even happens, when Moon is in any Sign in 7th House.

3. If Mars is in 7th House (Especially Retrogade) or in direct sight of Urenus, then the Native's Partner may have Weird Sexual Fantasies. (Here Sexual Act may include Physical Harrasments by any means). These kind of Marriages are terrible in nature and mostly end in Divorce, neither of them speaks about Real Reason.

4. Fire Signs (Aries, Leo and Sagittarius) in 7th House brings Vaginal Dryness during Sexual Act causing Painfull Experience to Females. Same effect can be seen if Sun/Mars or both are there.

5. Debiliated Mars with Saturn (Union or 3,7 and 10 aspects of Saturn) makes Native Sexually weak. Here Native feels Sex as Shamefull Act. In some cases, Sexual Confidence is Zero if Retrogade Neptune looks in the Situation directly.

6. Mars and Jupiter both are Strong Planets in Nature, but if they are apart in 1st and 7th House the Native is a Gentleman in Society, but in Personal life, He/She is a Sex Maniac.

7. Saturn and Mercury in Union makes Native Sexually Impotent. If both (or any one) is Retrogade then it is a Disaster for the Partner as Native is Mentally Impotent (No Errection/Arousal as no attraction towards Sex)

8. Mars with Venus makes Native's Libido very Strong (In any House and In any Sign). This Union becomes more Strong in Cancer and Scorpio Signs. In these two Signs Mars is weaker. In Scorpio, Mars gives Great Sexual Stamina.

9. Venus in Aries, Cancer, Leo, Scorpio makes Native Sexually very active. Most of these people get Beautiful Bodies by default. There General Body Language can create Sexual Fire in Others.

10. Jupiter and Venus are Oppsite Planets in their Behaviour but in Union they show both effects. These people can show that they are Great follower of Spirituality with Equal Urge for Sex. A total 50-50 Situation. They can speak on both Subjects Equally.

11. Mars/Venus placed in 8th House increases Sexual Desire ina ild way.

12. 7th House tells about Sexual Intercourse while 8th House tells about Sexual Satisfaction.

13. If Mars/Saturn/Venus is placed in 8th House with Rahu in 2nd House or Saturn is looking 8th House through 3,7 or 10th Aspect makes Native Sexually Unsatisfied. The Native can attack Opposite Sex for Sex. This combination with Debiliated Mars and Venus wrongly Placed (6th, 8th or 12 th House) makes Native a RAPIST.

14. Jupiter in Exalted Sign or with Powerful Mars increases Fertility and Libido of Native.

15. Retrogade Mars/Saturn of Gochara is moving through 7th/8th House makes Native Sexually active suddenly causing illicit relations. Retrogade Venus shows same effects. It works till the time Planet is there. It can cause Defemation to Native.

16. If Jupiter is Strong in Horoscope (Exalted and well Placed) and in Gochara also the in abovesaid Situation (Point no. 16) the Native may become Pregnant or Gets the Same news from Partner causing Frustration/Defemation.

Genreal Rules

1. See Mars and Venus and their Signs and Houses.
2. Find Karaka of 7th and 8th House and its Place in Horoscope.
3. Find Moon and its Place as it is Karaka of Mind and Love.
4. Find Signs in 7th and 8th House, if no Planets in both the Houses. Here Venus and Mars are deciding Planets.
5. Find which Planet (Saturn/Rahu in particular) on 7th and 8th House.

I hope I have answered some Questions. I hope more participation on this Topic. Earlier someone has added some Good Points on this Subject.

Thank You.
swetha
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that was very interesting info Milind:))
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