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cedars
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Very thorough and informative posting Payewacker. Thank you.

As far as yellow goes on crowns, isn’t that supposed to depict the gold colour?
I have the following description for the Yellow colour in terms of the tarot symbolism: sunny, joyful, colour of strength. Enthusiasm, confidence, creativity, discipline, wisdom, logic and ability to overcome ignorance and evil. Whilst I may agree with these definitions of the colour yellow, I somehow fail to see how come the seven of swords is all but yellow in the background in its entirety.

Now coming back to the pillars, freemasonry and the words related to it, I had always been intrigued by the B and J on the High Priestess’s two columns as being Boaz and Jachin. If I may reveal here something that probably is not such a big secret anymore in this time and age, these two words are given as ‘passwords’ for an apprentice freemason on his first level of initiation (Boaz) and then, as he elevates to another level, he is given another password (Jachin) which are both whispered in the ears of the one being initiated as a free mason. It was never explained to us though what these so-called ‘passwords’ meant; they were the secret passwords by which free masons recognised each other. I am not so sure if that is still the case for I have been out of those circles for many, many years now. We were never encouraged to reveal the complete word to a would-be freemason; one pronounced the first syllable and expected the other one to complete the second syllable thus completing the password and establishing recognition. I am sure there are other deeper ways of establishing that recognition of one freemason brother to another.
I do wonder why Waite decided to put the B and J on the columns of the High Priestess.  Perhaps this might help. I am no clever bunny; am just copying it from an extract…..

"Jachin and Boaz represent two giant plants or tree whose top is a lotus flower and stem or trunk are that of a palm tree. Solomon created a hybrid plant, essentially. These plants, like other things in the Temple are multi-symbolic, representing more than one thing at the same time.
"In case of the plants or trees, they depict Israel being 'planted' in the new land of Canaan. These two trees, in turn, depict the two kings mostly responsible building the temple, David and Solomon. David is Boaz, Solomon Jachin. This explains the dynastic oracle well known to temple students but not fully understood, 'By his strength he (or the king) will be established.' The word 'strength' can also be translated 'striker.' However it is rendered, it refers to a man of war, David. Jachin refers to making something firm, establishing it; this is Solomon. David is told that the kingdom would be 'established' by his son at a time of 'peace' (a reference to Solomon whose name means peace or pacific).
"The lotus flower was recognized as a love flower anciently and here it signifies God's love for Israel by 'establishing' it in the new land. 'Establishing' applies to the stem of the tree. The name David means 'beloved.' As for Solomon, he had a second name, Jedidiah, which also means beloved. Since the two kings are given credit for founding and establishing Israel as a 'kingdom' they form the legs of the Temple Man. 'Establishing' something is to cause it to stand or stand up (as if one were planting post on the ground) and, hence, the legs. Therefore, Temple Man must be seen as standing.


You are right PW, there are freemasonry emblems, symbols and signs all over the tarot cards of the Rider Waite. While it is an immense and very deep symbolism surrounding all of these, I do wonder sometimes if they are needed for our intuition…….Hmmmmm……. I am pondering on that.

Another thing I would like to add here with regard to the details of these cards, especially the Rider Waite. While I was reading your write up above, I had the Rider Waite Original in front of me to see what you were describing in terms of colours and symbols, and I have to admit I had difficulties seeing ‘details’ in the aforementioned deck. I then picked my second deck, again Rider Waite but the Universal one, and things became a lot clearer in terms of colours and pictorial details, especially the one where you describe the Death card in such detail.

Thank you very much and I do hope my above quotation was not too boring. I only investigated about it after reading your posting.


As ever learning…..
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payewaker i couldnt agree with you more tarot is about learning and teaching all in one. tarot is very insightful and a great tool to help guide us through life
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Cedrs said: As far as yellow goes on crowns, isn’t that supposed to depict the gold colour?
I have the following description for the Yellow colour in terms of the tarot symbolism: sunny, joyful, colour of strength. Enthusiasm, confidence, creativity, discipline, wisdom, logic and ability to overcome ignorance and evil. Whilst I may agree with these definitions of the colour yellow, I somehow fail to see how come the seven of swords is all but yellow in the background in its entirety.


I should have written......

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I somehow fail to see how come the seven of swords is all yellow in the background in its entirety.


assuming the seven of swords is not such a positive card.
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Cedars ,

The trees as spoken of, must have been created by means of grafting and would possibly the resemble a lollipop, we do this with roses and fruit trees espscially. If these trees were hybridized, Solomon must have had a good grasp of “Tissue-culturing” or plant cloning, but inserting another plants cells within the nucleus. In other words, he must have been an alchemist and Magician as well. In Magickal grimoires, a lot of references are made to “Key of Solomon the King”

I think we need not, continue further regarding Jachin and Boaz in Freemasonry!

Regarding Yellow, you are right in saying it signifies gold, hence the Crowns, in this posting I bring a bit of another spin on the Crowns.

In the RW, we find that 3 virtues are recognized and dealt with specifically. You find them in the secord set of seven of the major Arcanum, which deals with spiritual progress.
1) Strength—Yellow,
2) Justice—Red,
3) Temperance—White?

These are also the main Virtues adopted by the Christian faith.
Strength, actually refers to inner strength, derived from their close relationship with God and their faith is seen as a pillar of Strength. This mainly referres to strength and faith in God. Whenever there is a reference made to seeing heaven and God, the cities are Gold and God To Gloriuos to see, in the sense that the light will kill you. Also some angels are shimmering gold, ssome other plain scary to see, imagine seeing a being with four wings eight heads and covered with eyes, even his hand palms and probably under his feet? Something interesting about elementals, is that they adopt different body parts from animals when presenting themselves in the triangle. When conjuring them, you have to ask them to make themselves visible in such a form as not to instill fear in participating members of the Coven! So, at times they will appear as a human form or hopefully a single animal form.

Getting back to yellow, as signifying gold, it also signifies God and obviously spirit. When we then consider the crowns etc. we can see that it stands for divine knowledge or appointment as well. In the Bible is a refferance wich goes something like this. Obey the laws of a country as the rulers were appointed by God, notwithstanding Christian or not!

Looking at the Moon, you mentioned that it may also be the Sun. I had a look at the Sun. You will see distinck “heat waves” in the rays of the Sun, not apparent in the Moon. I speculate that the all yellow seven of swords could indicate creative means of winning a battle by not facing the enemy straight on, but with cunning and skill.

I include my description and interpretation for you.

Symbolism:
Man making of: Stealth and bravery
Five hidden swords: Cunning and diplomacy.
Two remaining swords: Desire to be truthful.
Tents: Enemy camp.
Element: Air        
Direction: South.
Season: Autumn.
Zodiac: First quarter of Libra and ruled by Justice.
Comparative to the Magician. (Charlatan.)

Card Description.
A man making of with 5 swords hidden under his clothing as a thief. The encampment of the enemy is breached; two swords remain in the ground behind.

Meaning: “Stealth and bravery”.
Where as with the Chariot, meeting enemies face on, charging in to claim victory. This card is all about cunning, diplomacy and actually, underhandedness. This card indicates that you must use a roundabout way in overcoming obstacles. You don’t have the resources to meet them head on, catch them where they are weakest. Infiltrate the established defenses, and then render them harmless.  

Upright:
Bravery and stealth. Underhandedness, diplomacy and advice.

In entering unmarked territory, you haven’t got the experience to fight your opposition. You will find it almost impossible to attack them straight on. You need to make use of your intellectual abilities to outsmart your opposition. Rather use a byway to find their weak points and strengthen your own position with their weakness.

Reversed:
Slander. A plan that may fail; annoyances. Overconfidence leading to instability in your affairs
Delayed solution, stagnation, a proposal of love. Declaration.
I now want to mave on a bit and let’s see what the following may bring:

Geometry, God and Tarot.

Forty-seventh Problem of Euclid
Symbol of geometry; of exact science. Passed over with but a few words of ritual, it is Masonically most in¬teresting. It appears on the frontispiece of An¬derson's Constitutions, published in 1723; Street says it is the earliest example of a printed symbol of Freemasonry. It was apparently known to ancient mathematicians long before Pythagoras (Masonically credited as its discoverer) or Eu¬clid, who made of the properties of a right-angled triangle his forty-seventh problem. It is the root of all mathematics used to determine an unknown from two knowns. Given the distance of a moun¬tain and the angle of sight to its top, mathematics may determine its height. Tunnels are driven through mountains from both sides to meet ex¬actly by means of measurements made by the forty-seventh problem. Navigation of the seas depends upon it. In non-Euclidian language, a right angled triangle of 3 feet base and 4 feet height, has a line 5 feet long joining the free ends of the two legs. The square of 3 is 9; the square of 4 is 16; the sum of 9 and 16 is 25; the square root of 25 is 5. All right-angled triangles, regardless of the length of base and upright, follow this law; that the line joining the free ends (the hypotenuse) is the square root of the sum {)f the squares of the two sides. Therefore, if any two of the three are known, the third may be calculated. According to the ritual "it teaches Masons to he general lovers of the arts and sciences". This short description encompasses the study of geometry. The ritual is here not factual. Pythagoras was poor and could hardly have possessed a hecatomb (hundred head of cattle). He was a vegetarian, and reverenced animal life; he would not have killed one cow, let alone a hundred, to "celebrate" his discovery. He may have cried "Eureka", but could hardly have been "raised to the sublime degree of Master Mason," which did not take even an ancient and simple form until centuries after he died.

Geometry
(See Forty-seventh Problem.) "God is always geometrizing," said the ancient philos¬opher. In the Fellowcraft Degree, geometry is a symbol not only of mathematics but of the divine and moral significance of abstract truth.

Guys here we get to a different angle altogether. What would the significance be when considering that God is always geometrizing? We can clearly see references made in the above passage to Pythagoras. Now Pythagoras as we know designed the Tetractus. I don’t want to just blast forth and start discussing the Tetractus. This is a subject all on its own, and needs its own set of research material and derivatives, gleaned from the information we are presented with.

But clearly we know that the Tetractus contains the Tetragrammaton (the unspoken name of God, because it is so Holy). Where do we find reference to this in the ancient myths.

Let us have a look at the suit of Cups, representing the clergy at that time!! Cups is obviously water, and in water we find fish. The myth goes that a salmon swam upriver and landed in a crystal pond. Now as covering or canopy, we had Yggdrasil or the Celtic Tree of life, obviously being fed by the water from this pond. As all trees bear fruit and seed, these then fell into the pond. The salmon ate these fruit and with this, gleaned tremendous wisdom, even regarding the Underworld. Odin in his travels and after losing his one eye, came across this pond. Understandable he was hungry, and I think an imposing figure, even in human form. Now, Odin caught this salmon and ate it. This resulted in him becoming so wise that his new name can never be spoken. He became the God revered above all other Gods!! Or ultimate deity. Now the Tetragrammaton is the name which is given to God only as reference to the ultimate deity as his name may not be spoken, contained within the Pythagorean Tetractus. Thus the belief that eating fish bring about mind power, which as being confessed over the years has actually become a fact. But we also know how good, fish oil tablets, and the omegas extracted, are for us!!

Now the references above” geometry is a symbol not only of mathematics but of the divine and moral significance of abstract truth.” And “God is always geometrizing,"

The questions asked is: “Where do we find abstract truth and geometry?”
“Where do we find shapes as described above?”
“What is the significance of the influence where oblong squares are used?”
“A Tetractus is based on the Triangle, has this any meaning?”

On the Temperance card we find a circle with a point in the middle. What is the significance to that? (Tetractus).


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Hi Payewacker

You've just shed a different light on the 7 of swords, making it sound like a brave man whilst he does things in an underhanded way. I was giving a reading once and I got the 7 of swords and I could not help but feel that somene was stealing something from her. It turned out that that same day she had had burglary at home.  And yet this card is virtually all yellow - bravery??

I agree there are more than one side to a card (the negative and the positive) and this man has a smirk on his face which indicates he knows what he is doing is not the rigth way, and yet he will still do it.


What is the significance of the Tetracus, PW?
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