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HAHA Cedars, you see, a lot too learn very few people to teach?

The posting you did, and questions raised are interesting. Let me start by The Moon (again). The windows links the Moon directly to The Tower. MMMMM, what do we make of this? Could it mean, as oblong squares, the same as how we would determine the "Fours" as boundaries, and maybe as a point where there is not really a possibility to be creative, or move out of the area as designated by a single force or influence, which is "enclosing" the querant?

Could we then say that when you have your head in the clouds to much, certain destruction or maybe only a mental "mindset"

Now, why 2 towers on the Moon and only one on the Tower card?

My inclination is that although we have "solid" guidance from God, ignoring that, will take us on a road of "troubles", not actual destruction, this is the Moon itself, as it is closely linked to the Tower.

Another thing wich is also to be considered is that the Major Arcanum is divided into 3 sections of seven cards. Therefore looking at the Tower, where does it sit and what is it's importance? How is it that the Tower sits on a solid base of rocks and the Moon on a questionable "watery" base, we can't really see, can we?

I think when we look at the Major Arcanum, and it's spiritual path, as we should follow. The Tower being 16 and the Moon being 18, Judgement 20. We would be 2 steps away from the "beginning" of the second set of seven. What is interesting is that the first set of seven actually describes the "control" people have over others, the second set of seven is where you start finding your virtues, and therefore also the way to consieve in which a person should travel.

The third set of seven is more the "spiritual side of things" In this then can we not see, that perhaps a person's relationship with the divine and also with each and every person around them, is based on how they ultimately behave, and how they will experience the negative if they treat people like +++++++!!!!!!!!!!!

What we clearly also see is the Yods coming down from "above" Can we the assume that in the Moon card we see divine intuition and in the Tower, divine intervention, espescially for those wanting that which they are not entitled to,"story of Babel"

The oblong squares appearing on the Judgement card, must have direct bearing to the Moon and the Tower, why would i think this. Let us consider that the Moon, gives us "spiritual" enlightenment, and the Tower a just and sudden retraction or destuction. In some instances, yes, getting the Tower absolutely spells disaster, of which we should be sensitive to? Looking at the cards as they are, we see Yods on both of them, isn't it then from the divine, that is what a Yod is all about!!! In Judgement then, the Tower destroyed, Judgement brings new life?

What if we start looking at the rhytm of the cards, they are all working on two's, if we look at the two of pentacle, the four and then the six of pentacles, isn't it obvious that in the same sense we are working through the Minor Arcanum as well, but at a higher level? I think in the Swords this is more profound.

Looking at the Swords, 2-Balance, 4--Contemplation, 6--Victory(moving from a bad place to a better)????? Six also stands for Vav--6 in Hebrew, and the day that God created Man, which is incorporated in Aleph, the number One, which also contains both the Yod and Yod with hook. With Yod and Yod with hook, why is there a difference, in the Hebrew culture, if a Yod should have a hook, and doesn't, the entire text is discarded and declared as a fallacy, no matter if it's 100 pages thick, all of it is absolutely ignored.
In this then, we see where the Magician, Lovers and Judgement has it's partnership.

Blessed be

Thank you Payewacker...

A lot to contemplate on. Will do that in my own time whilst looking at each card.

Bless you.

Hi Cedars

Interesting, Judgement doesn't have Yods, however the angel implies"The Divine".

Have a look at the people, being raised. in the front we find the man to the left of the anges and the woman to the right, looking up at the angel, should the angel turn around and look at the people in the back, it is reversed! in this card the only one looking at us is the angel, the people have their attention on the angel.

Looking at the the Lovers, we find that the lovers are looking in general straight direction, catch my drift here? The woman is "aware" of the angel but the man staring straight forward, i would also if i looked so bad without undies. HeeHee, had to say it!!!

Should they turn around, they would be as the reversed pair on the Judgement card, but also don't pair up with the one's in the front. They were then "flipped", might this have been a mistake or something significant?

Hi Payewacker

Ok. Let's go and see who's looking towards whom?

Without wishing to contradict, I always thought the angel on the Judgement was sort of looking sideways and towards the woman, whilst the man as if asking for the angel's attention. By the same token, again, with the Lovers card, although the angel is looking straight at us, the woman has her head half raised towards the angel and the man is almost unaware of the angel's presence; unware of a higher, divine power (almost a typical man?)

Could this be because of the conscious and the unconscious minds?

If the man is the conscious mind in the Lovers and the woman the unconscious (intuitive) mind, could it be that in the end i.e. on Judgement day the man is looking up towards the higher power and the woman is almost asking the angel to absolve the man and forgive him for his conscious errors and misdeeds?

The tree behind the woman in the Lovers is our consciousness for knowledge: Good and evil.
The tree behind the man has got twelve fruits; could this be the twelve zodiac signs, twleve months of the year..??

I did try to look at these cards in their reveresed form, and in the case of the Lovers I saw the woman looking at the man, but not in a desperate way as in the Judgement card where she is almost seeking for divine mercy...for the man or for her man.

The Angel in the Lovers I feel is an impartial one, does not take sides, or lets us make our choices (and mistakes) of our own free will. But the Judgement angel can be judgemental.

My thoughts......

Hi Cedars,

MMM, interesting. However, i need to ask you, which of the twelfe fruits did the man actually partake in? Some humor.

On the Lovers, yes the man is looking straight forward or into an empty space, again, the "undies" are lacking?

Serious now, I agree than the man, is not as aware of the divine as the woman would be, or as you say the conscious and the unconscious, i have a problem with the spelling of these "big" words!!

Ya, and the misdeeds or deeds according to the Bible, are contemplated as per "men"--and ye man will be judged according................Woman was birthed from man, or created from man. "HOMO SAPIENS" ?????????? ask no questions you hear no lies!!! I'm really going to be nailed one of these days??

Yes, in that sense, are the man going to be judged for the misdeeds of his woman as well? Can we then think that the woman is truly asking for the man's redemption?
Men, unfortunately has a tendancy to fall into "disgrace" from time to time. Should by the woman's willing to give herself as offering the man be exaunerared?

Cedars, i replied to your posting, wanting to bring some humor as well, please don't think me festicious.

The question, which fruit was plucked from the tree. Consider the snake!!  The twelve fruits, i didn't see there were only twelve fruits, thank-you for sharing that with me.

Who is now checking the symbolism?

I so love this, ++++ can carry on for ages.

Blessed be