Hi all,

I've been contemplating raising this matter a lot earlier already.

There are four main virtues described, although we accept them, only three are represented being Strength, Justice and Temperance. As far as I understand, Providence is actually a subtle blend of the three with a swing in any direction by any person as how he understands and apply the term. So in approaching this matter there is not really a set of standards derived at. To me providence is long suffering, diligence, tempered approach to fanatasism, no overindulgance, etc. To really arrive at the crux may only be done by a lot of input.

Furthermore, what impact will it have on the arrangement of the deck. How will we number it, in my mind it should be placed after Temperance or should it be included in the third set of seven.

A lot of theories regarding the number seven etc. will be thrown to the wind and most definetily the cause of great antagonism from "Tarot scholars"

Let's have a productive discussion and not only views on the subject, after all, everybody's insights is what a forum is all about!!

Blessed be

My first impression is that Providence brings about the discussion of religion again. Providence is supposed to be by the will of God and so needs a belief? I will ponder some more and peruse some decks whilst thinking.......

Truthfully I have never heard for this theory put before. I'm not sure what or how you got it, however I think you're wrong about the fourth virue though. If you're taken the cards literal with their titles then yes there isn't one. If you take them as their meaning and not the title, Judgement actaully fits this almost to the letter of the meaning. It has even been titled as such in some decks I believe.

Anytime a card is added to the deck outside the excepted 22 Majors it is either numbered 0 or 23 etc depending on how many cards there is. If you're also following the pattern that Strength, Justice, and Temperance follow thing you're new card would go as follows:

Justice (8)
Strength (11)
Temperance (14)
Providence would then be placed after the Tower in the deck, letting a bridge happen between the Tower and Star.

I generally believe that Strength and Justice are respectively 8 and 11, except in this case. My two cents worth of imput.  

Hi Tabi,
I also put Strength and Justice as you, Robin Wood among others actually swapped them and in the witches tarot Wheel of Fortune is eleven, Strength Eight.
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prov·i·dence      /ˈprɒvɪdəns/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prov-i-duhns] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. (often initial capital letter) the foreseeing care and guidance of God or nature over the creatures of the earth.  
2. (initial capital letter) God, esp. when conceived as omnisciently directing the universe and the affairs of humankind with wise benevolence.  
3. a manifestation of divine care or direction.  
4. provident or prudent management of resources; prudence.  
5. foresight; provident care.  


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[Origin: 1300–50; ME < L prōvidentia foresight, forethought. See provident, -ence]





literally means foresight, but is generally used to denote God's preserving and governing all things by means of second causes (Ps. 18:35; 63:8; Acts 17:28; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3). God's providence extends to the natural world (Ps. 104:14; 135:5-7; Acts 14:17), the brute creation (Ps. 104:21-29; Matt. 6:26; 10:29), and the affairs of men (1 Chr. 16:31; Ps. 47:7; Prov. 21:1; Job 12:23; Dan. 2:21; 4:25), and of individuals (1 Sam. 2:6; Ps. 18:30; Luke 1:53; James 4:13-15). It extends also to the free actions of men (Ex. 12:36; 1 Sam. 24:9-15; Ps. 33:14, 15; Prov. 16:1; 19:21; 20:24; 21:1), and things sinful (2 Sam. 16:10; 24:1; Rom. 11:32; Acts 4:27, 28), as well as to their good actions (Phil. 2:13; 4:13; 2 Cor. 12:9, 10; Eph. 2:10; Gal. 5:22-25). As regards sinful actions of men, they are represented as occurring by God's permission (Gen. 45:5; 50:20. Comp. 1 Sam. 6:6; Ex. 7:13; 14:17; Acts 2:3; 3:18; 4:27, 28), and as controlled (Ps. 76:10) and overruled for good (Gen. 50:20; Acts 3:13). God does not cause or approve of sin, but only limits, restrains, overrules it for good. The mode of God's providential government is altogether unexplained. We only know that it is a fact that God does govern all his creatures and all their actions; that this government is universal (Ps. 103:17-19), particular (Matt. 10:29-31), efficacious (Ps. 33:11; Job 23:13), embraces events apparently contingent (Prov. 16:9, 33; 19:21; 21:1), is consistent with his own perfection (2 Tim. 2:13), and to his own glory (Rom. 9:17; 11:36).

It seems that we should more closely describe it as Prudence?

Blessed be

Hi tabi, sorry, i looked at prudence and have the definition of it:
pru·dence      /ˈprudns/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prood-ns] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the quality or fact of being prudent.  
2. caution with regard to practical matters; discretion.  
3. regard for one's own interests.  
4. provident care in the management of resources; economy; frugality.  


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[Origin: 1300–50; ME < MF < L prūdentia. See prudent, -ence]


—Synonyms 1. Prudence, calculation, foresight, forethought imply attempted provision against possible contingencies. Prudence is care, caution, and good judgment, as well as wisdom in looking ahead: sober prudence in handling one's affairs. Calculation suggests a disposition to get a large return for as small an outlay as possible and willingness to benefit at the expense of others: cold calculation. Foresight implies a prudent looking ahead rather far into the future: clear foresight in planning. Forethought emphasizes the adequacy of preparation for the future: Careful forethought helped him deal with the emergency.
—Antonyms 1. rashness.

I think we will get to a calculated agreement somewhere, but where to place it? And is it really needed, seeing as prudence, is actually a blend or a culmination of the forerunning virtues?

Blessed be