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Every body and everything is not God
dattaswami


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Every body and everything is not God

The saint says that every body and every thing is God.  He quotes the Vedic statement “Sarvam Kalvidam Brahma”.  In that case what is the necessity of the sadhana?  God cannot have ignorance like the sun cannot have darkness.  Even if God imposes ignorance for entertainment, there is no need of any effort to remove the imposed ignorance.  Therefore, in this statement the word Brahma does not refer God.  The word idam denotes the world.

The word Brahma means greatest. This entire world consisting of space, matter, various forms of energy like light, sound etc., mechanical works of energy and special work of energy called as awareness are various forms of the inert energy only.  Thus, with reference to energy, this entire world is single homogeneous energy only.  This is the proved truth by the science.  This is the meaning of “Ekameva Advitiyam Brahma”.  Since the energy is in single phase, energy is the Brahman.  Veda also says that Brahman is material cause for generation, maintenance and dissolution of the world.  In this light also energy is Brahman.  Energy is material cause like mud of the pot (Upadanam).  When God grants the property of awareness to this energy, it becomes chit (Nimittam), which is a designer of the world like the pot maker.

Thus, there exists an infinite ocean of energy which has the property of awareness also and therefore is the material  cause as well as the designer of this world. Before the association of the awareness with this ocean of energy, a little drop of this energy-ocean is modified into world which is inert.  Now the property of awareness i.e., already associated with this energy ocean has entered into the inert world into some discontinuous items of the world like birds, animals, human beings etc.  The plants have life but not awareness (awareness is negligible and can be treated as almost absent).  Therefore Veda says that from plants the awareness (Purusha) came.

Plants can be included under the item of living beings but not under the item of awareness (soul). Now the world is having both inert items like hills, rivers etc., and also living items like plants along with special living items like birds, animals and human beings etc. The cinema is now complete with the inert decorated stage with the actors.  When the property of awareness entered the world, the Advaities think that God entered the world because God is awareness.  Awareness or understanding or thinking or imagining is a work form of energy only and thus is energy itself.  How the imagination which is energy can touch God when God is beyond energy? The actors have entered the stage and producer is a just spectator.  

The construction of the stage, the story of the drama and direction etc., are done by the ocean of chit which is PA to God.  Thus, the Mula Maya or Maha Maya is direct cause.  But the entire work is done by the will and power of God only.  If God enters this ocean of chit it is called as Brahman.  After creation of this world this Brahman becomes spectator and is called Eswara.  After some time to have the full entertainment God enters the drama as an actor which is the human incarnation.  The entry of the actors is not the entry of producer. God is the producer and director indirectly and is not directly  involved or effected in any way.  You should not mistake God whenever the word Brahman or Atman is used.

 In a village people say that the Ruler is coming.  The Ruler is head of the village.  People in parliament also say that the Ruler is coming.  Here the word Ruler indicates the President of the country. Since the word Ruler is common, you can not say that the head of village and President of the country are one and the same.  The  head of the village is also controlled by the President.  Similarly, Atman may rule certain activities of the  body and certain items in the world.  But God rules all the items of the world including the self.  The Advaities do not believe in the unimaginable God and therefore they do not believe the entry of God in to human form.  

They take the entry of awareness itself as the entry of God.  The entry of awareness is already explained in the order of creation by stating “plants from earth, food from plants and soul (awareness) form food” (Pruthivya Oshadhayah……Veda).  The entry of God is explained in a different statement (Tadevanu Pravisat….Veda).  If both are same, God is constantly entering and exiting through the human beings.  In such case how can he say “whenever the injustice grows…. I am born” (Sambhavami…Gita). The verse tells that He is not born constantly in the form of human beings.  Of course, for that great saint, Krishna is not God!

At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org
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AMANUSH-FORCE


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dattaswami wrote:
Every body and everything is not God

The saint says that every body and every thing is God.  He quotes the Vedic statement “Sarvam Kalvidam Brahma”.  In that case what is the necessity of the sadhana?  God cannot have ignorance like the sun cannot have darkness.  Even if God imposes ignorance for entertainment, there is no need of any effort to remove the imposed ignorance.  Therefore, in this statement the word Brahma does not refer God.  The word idam denotes the world.

The word Brahma means greatest. This entire world consisting of space, matter, various forms of energy like light, sound etc., mechanical works of energy and special work of energy called as awareness are various forms of the inert energy only.  Thus, with reference to energy, this entire world is single homogeneous energy only.  This is the proved truth by the science.  This is the meaning of “Ekameva Advitiyam Brahma”.  Since the energy is in single phase, energy is the Brahman.  Veda also says that Brahman is material cause for generation, maintenance and dissolution of the world.  In this light also energy is Brahman.  Energy is material cause like mud of the pot (Upadanam).  When God grants the property of awareness to this energy, it becomes chit (Nimittam), which is a designer of the world like the pot maker.

Thus, there exists an infinite ocean of energy which has the property of awareness also and therefore is the material  cause as well as the designer of this world. Before the association of the awareness with this ocean of energy, a little drop of this energy-ocean is modified into world which is inert.  Now the property of awareness i.e., already associated with this energy ocean has entered into the inert world into some discontinuous items of the world like birds, animals, human beings etc.  The plants have life but not awareness (awareness is negligible and can be treated as almost absent).  Therefore Veda says that from plants the awareness (Purusha) came.

Plants can be included under the item of living beings but not under the item of awareness (soul). Now the world is having both inert items like hills, rivers etc., and also living items like plants along with special living items like birds, animals and human beings etc. The cinema is now complete with the inert decorated stage with the actors.  When the property of awareness entered the world, the Advaities think that God entered the world because God is awareness.  Awareness or understanding or thinking or imagining is a work form of energy only and thus is energy itself.  How the imagination which is energy can touch God when God is beyond energy? The actors have entered the stage and producer is a just spectator.  

The construction of the stage, the story of the drama and direction etc., are done by the ocean of chit which is PA to God.  Thus, the Mula Maya or Maha Maya is direct cause.  But the entire work is done by the will and power of God only.  If God enters this ocean of chit it is called as Brahman.  After creation of this world this Brahman becomes spectator and is called Eswara.  After some time to have the full entertainment God enters the drama as an actor which is the human incarnation.  The entry of the actors is not the entry of producer. God is the producer and director indirectly and is not directly  involved or effected in any way.  You should not mistake God whenever the word Brahman or Atman is used.

 In a village people say that the Ruler is coming.  The Ruler is head of the village.  People in parliament also say that the Ruler is coming.  Here the word Ruler indicates the President of the country. Since the word Ruler is common, you can not say that the head of village and President of the country are one and the same.  The  head of the village is also controlled by the President.  Similarly, Atman may rule certain activities of the  body and certain items in the world.  But God rules all the items of the world including the self.  The Advaities do not believe in the unimaginable God and therefore they do not believe the entry of God in to human form.  

They take the entry of awareness itself as the entry of God.  The entry of awareness is already explained in the order of creation by stating “plants from earth, food from plants and soul (awareness) form food” (Pruthivya Oshadhayah……Veda).  The entry of God is explained in a different statement (Tadevanu Pravisat….Veda).  If both are same, God is constantly entering and exiting through the human beings.  In such case how can he say “whenever the injustice grows…. I am born” (Sambhavami…Gita). The verse tells that He is not born constantly in the form of human beings.  Of course, for that great saint, Krishna is not God!

At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org





God is infinite and infinite has both darkness and light as its part,peak and valley as its part,saint and sinner as its part,
Light cannot be defined without help of darkness.
Peak can't exist without valley
Saint is only a concept of society which can produce sinners.
What abt dark forces ,where did they arise from,satan,what is source of satan???,isn't it the infinite avyakta god


Transcendent manhood is the immanent cause of creation; transcendent womanhood is the efficient cause. There cannot be procreation without such union and there cannot be divine manifestation without their cosmic equivalent. It is only through understanding the symbolism of the linga and yoni that we can begin to apprehend the mysteries of creation.
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Definition of Soul = breath.  The breath we are given (soul) is blown there by God.  So yes, by definition we are all capable of being God's instrument.  We are also given free will choice to choose from our many options.  We can turn TO God or AWAY from God - choose wisely.
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What is there to dream about?
panky1987


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Definition of Soul = breath.  The breath we are given (soul) is blown there by God.  So yes, by definition we are all capable of being God's instrument.  We are also given free will choice to choose from our many options.  We can turn TO God or AWAY from God - choose wisely.
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