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Posts: 308 · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:13 pm

Respected All,

I have immense pleasure of praying to all the God... I have faith and trust on God... I pray God on a daily basis...

Inspite of this, I have couple of doubts or may be I cannot accept the God followed Dharma way....

I would like to give you all couple of examples wherein even God has not followed the dharma... Kindly enlight me with your valid points (Please do not think me as "Naasthiga", I am typical "Aasthiga")

1) We all know and even Veda also prescribes that hitting behind a person or back of a person is not acceptable as per Dharma... If it is so, why Rama did this Adharma act to Vaali ? I do not find any Dharma to do this kind of act...

2) Why do Krishna suggest Kundhi to get Varaa from Karna at the time of War... Krishna knows that pretty much well that those Varaas will help Paandavaas to win the battle... But because of that Varaa, Kundhi lost his elder son, All the Pancha pandavaas lost their elder brother, even Dharma Devatha was crying on the death of Karna... Because of Krishna's cunning way of approach Paandava won the battle at last.... I do not find any Dharma to do this kind of act...

3) While performing Gadha yudha, the contestant or the participants should not hit a person below their hip... It is the rule and Dharma as well... If it so why Krishna signed Bheema to hit Dhuryodhana on his thigh.... Even here also the Dharma is not followed.

I can give few more examples.... But my aim is not that...

Kindly let me know is this type of act of Shri Vishnu or Avtar of Shri Vishnu is Dharma... Please explain your views with suitable examples and also I request you all not to deviate from the main subject....

Krishna

Posts: 5118 · Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:07 am

Dear Krishnaji,

Truth and Lies exists since man took birth. Paap and Punya was there right from that day. King Dashrath, father of Rama, killed Shravan kumar who was taking his parents to pilgrimmage. In fact when King Dashrath did not have any children he went to his Guru and his Guru said that " you will first commit Paap and then you will get a child" . King was surprised because those were the days of "Pran Jaaye Par Vacchan na Jaaye" and "Satyug" . But as you already know King Dashrath did kill Shravan Kumar in those Satyug period and Rama was thus born to him.

Good and Evil are two sides of every coin. Do not look into negatives. Only look into positives for we want to benefit from it. You know that Sweets have no value without the opposite i.e. Salty. So these two things will always exists. During Satyug Honest and Sincere people were looked upon and respected and now in Kalyug it is quite the opposite though in the end Honesty is always rewarded.

So always look at positives.

Pravin Kumar

Posts: 308 · Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:37 am

Dear Pravinji,

Namaste and Pranams...

As you rightly said, we need to look positive side... But we need to look positive side in addition to the negative aspects or consequences in order to achieve our goal...

Let us deeply analyse the example given by yourself :

1) King Dashrath killed Shravan Kumar.
2) Got curse by their parents.
3) Got childrens

Your example stops here... In continuation to the example -

1) Rama was sent to Forest for 14 years
2) Due to the above King Dashrath got panic and left his life (Dead).

If we stop in this point, we can very well know that "Paap results Paap"... I think in all the Yug, the result is same... Do good and get good in return and vice-versa...

I am small person please explain me in detail... Also do give your points if the Vaali Vadha (By Rama) & Karna Vatha (Lord Krishna, Main Karta) and in support of Dharma...

Krishna

Posts: 5118 · Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:36 am

Krishnaji,

Why was Rama born in the first place? He was a God who had to take birth to destroy those Rakshas. This is there in mysthology. These Demons would kill the Sanyasis, Sadhus and hence Rama was sent to destroy these Demons. Now whatever wrong Rama did even he had to pay for it in his next life as Krishna. My mythology knowledge is weak so forgive me but he killed Vaali or someone wrongly and he had to pay for it in his next life as Krishna to show that no one can be favoured for wrong doing. This is Law of Nature and even Gods were no exception.

Pravin Kumar

Posts: 4397 · Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:50 pm

Dear Krishna,

I would like to clarify your doubt about Vali vadh now.

Krishna was a reincarnation of Lord Vishnu. In his earlier avtaar as Shri Ram, he had killed Vali, brother of Sugriva, from hiding himself behind a tree, with an arrow. So in his next avtaar as Shri Krishna, Vali, killed him by an arrow when he was resting under a banyan tree. The same tree (as people believe) is located near Somnath Temple in Prabhas Patan near Veraval in Saurashtra region of Gujarat.

After regaining and handing over the kingdom to successors the pandavas along with Krishna start moving towards heaven but depending upon the sins they committed one by one fall by the wayside. Krishna climbs a tree and starts playing his flute waving his foot from a branch. A hunter mistakes the moving foot for a bird and shoots an arrow and kills Krishna(the rest of his body is hidden by the tree) - this is also considered as retribution for killing of Dhrona their guru by telling a lie that his son had been killed in battle all planned by Krishna. Because of this lie Yudhistar or Dharam raj also do not go to heaven but falls at the gate only their dog enters heaven supposedly Yama the God of Death.

So I agree with the views of Pravinji that even Gods are not exempted from punishment of their own sins.