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Why people insult and neglect the human incarnation?
dattaswami


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Broken Arrow wrote:
God is the Source of all of creation and the life force that exists in all of life. To think that God could or even would come to earth in a physical body is what is unimaginable to me. How can the "source of all of creation" exist within one body within the creation?


An ignorant person neglects Mahatma Gandhi seeing his cheap cloth. He cannot estimate the real value of Gandhi. He will give lot of value to a cinema actor who is in a colorful dress. Similarly when the Lord comes in the human body, which follows all the rules of the nature, an ignorant person insults Him seeing the ordinary human body, since he does not recognize the value of the internal form. This is told in Gita (Avajaananti Mam Mudhaah). The Lord can make His body to be divine and above the rules of nature by His super power. But He does not do this because He does not like to violate the rules of nature, since He is the creator of those rules. One will not generally contradict His own rule and insult himself.

An ordinary soul in the form of Yogi or a demon frequently exhibits his body to be beyond the rules of the nature because he is not insulted since he is not the creator of the rules of the nature. By such petty miracle the ignorant person believes such Yogi or demon as the Lord. The Lord is the ruler of Yogis (Yogeeswara). Once a saint walked on the river but Shri Rama Krishna Parahamsa who is the human incarnation of the Lord came by a boat paying one rupee. The Saint proudly told Shri Paramahamasa that he obtained the power to walk on the water by Sadhana for the past thirty years.

The saint asked Paramahamsa whether He did such tedious Sadhana in His life. Paramahamsa told simply with a smile that the cost of his thirty-year-old Sadhana is one rupee!! And that He never did such cheap Sadhana. Arjuna prostrated to the feet of Lord Krishna before all the soldiers without egoism and jealousy. Krishna was a human being like Arjuna. Moreover Krishna is only the driver where as Arjuna is the owner of the chariot. Arjuna recognized the value of the internal form of Lord Krishna and therefore Krishna revealed His inner form as Viswa Roopa to Arjuna. Therefore those people who get rid of jealousy and egoism can only give the value to the human incarnation.
God do not get modified into human body when He comes in Human form
dattaswami


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Broken Arrow wrote:
God is the Source of all of creation and the life force that exists in all of life. To think that God could or even would come to earth in a physical body is what is unimaginable to me. How can the "source of all of creation" exist within one body within the creation?




I know that you are worried that the Lord perhaps gets modified into the human body and thus the unchangeable Lord undergoes a change. Do not worry about this point, because the Lord is never modified into the human body. He only enters into the human body. The word ‘Ashritam’ in the verse of the Gita “Manushim tanumashritam” means the entry of the Lord into the human body and not the modification of the Lord into a human body. This is clarified by Lord Krishna in the Gita in the verse “Avyaktam Vyaktimapannam”.

When a person says that he was sent by God as a messenger and that He has brought the message of the Lord, again the same problem appears. When God is giving the message to that person, nobody has seen it. That person is the single witness. Now the only alternative left in order to believe that the knowledge was given by the Lord Himself, is that we have to test the knowledge. Had we seen the transfer of the knowledge from God to that person with our eyes, we need not have tested that knowledge. It must definitely have been the divine knowledge. If we have to believe a statement of that person without the simultaneous universal perception, then we have to believe even a fraud person who utters the same statement.

If you give us a piece of metal and say that is gold, since it was given by God, we cannot believe it. Either we must have seen God giving it to you or we must analyse the metal. Moreover the knowledge is not like the piece of metal, which will not change by transfer. When a teacher explains a concept to somebody and asks him to deliver it to his students, it cannot be transferred as it is. The transfer of knowledge consists of not only the concept but also the explanation. The concept might have been transferred but nobody other than that original teacher can give the same way of explanation of the concept by which the concept pierces into the heart. Therefore to propagate the divine knowledge, the Lord Himself comes down in a human form. Arjuna said the same in the Gita “Tvadanyah…” which means that except the Lord, nobody can preach the divine knowledge and clarify all spiritual doubts.
spiritalk


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God is the breath within each of us.  The state of our world is by those that ignore their own very breath and act out in opposition to God's love.
God comes in human form in all places of the earth & in every generation
dattaswami


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spiritalk wrote:
God is the breath within each of us.  The state of our world is by those that ignore their own very breath and act out in opposition to God's love.


God comes in human form  in all places of the earth & in every generation

God comes in human form – in all places of the earth and also
He comes in every generation – that contains both good and bad.
If devotees of one generation are – favored by His direct visit,
God becomes partial for no reason, – God is not such mad!
Priests never accept human form – of God before their eyes.
They like the worship of models – that represent God indirectly,
So that the results of worship – indirectly come to them finally.
Priests did not give place for God – after Buddha in Kali age.
Buddha came in the beginning of Kali, – priests showed Kalki
At the end of this Kali age, – no human form till the end.

Similarly Christian priests – opposed Jesus when He was alive.
After Jesus, they say that – Jesus comes only in the end.
The psychology of priests – is the same in the whole world!
Krishna said that He will come – whenever He is required.
‘Jesus will come again’ means, – He will come in next generation.
If the guest says to you – that he will come again to you,
Does it mean that he will come – only once in his entire life?

In Christianity the soul after death – waits till the final enquiry.
In that case the soul meets God twice, – once in its lifetime
And finally at the time of enquiry, – this is justified, if no rebirth.
Every soul meets God in human form, – once while it exists
On the earth in the human body, - finally in final enquiry.
This is possible only if God – comes in every generation.
Otherwise, souls born - along with Jesus were only lucky,
Since they alone met God as Jesus – and in final enquiry.
All the other souls have only – one chance to meet finally.
This is again blind partiality, – God can never be blind.
Any priest in the world – does not like contemporary form
Because the benefits of service – to God should come to him.

This is possible only if God – is limited to symbolic models.
The human psychology is always – selfish and egoistic here.
Jesus told that He and His father – are one and the same.
This is Advaita, He told that He is – the son of God, this is
Vishishtadvaita stating that – son is part and parcel of father.
Jesus told that He is messenger – of God, this is Dvaita stating
That God is master and – Son of God is His servant.

Mohammad stressed on Dvaita, - since all souls are servants,
God is the master to be served, - then Son of God is not special.
This will remove jealousy of priests – towards the Son of God.
This will avoid crucifixion of – Son of God by priests.
Remember, Mohammad came – just after Jesus and tried
To avoid brutal consequences – of jealousy of priests on
The Son of God or contemporary – human incarnation in future.
Mohammad said that God – never becomes human being.
It is perfectly correct, – current is not converted into wire.
It only entered wire – God in flesh, Manushim Tanumashritam,
Mean that God entered human body, – not converted into human body.

Human body means gross body – with the liberated soul selected
By God for human incarnation, – the soul is a part of the body.
The soul is causal body, – the qualities in soul are subtle body.
The soul acts as personal assistant, – as inert as the gross body
Due to total surrender to God, – this soul is the Son of God.
Every soul has equal chance – to become the Son of God.
Every student has equal chance – to get the gold medal.
But in an year only one student – tops and gets gold medal.
The other students should not – hate the topper by jealousy.
The chance given was not – properly used by other students.
Neither God is partial nor – the topper should be blamed.
Still there is time, use it, – next time you may be topper.

Even during stay of God, – God is God and soul is soul.
Even in live wire, current – is current and wire is wire.
Wire is only treated as current – for all practical purposes.
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