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My declaration as present human incarnation
dattaswami


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My declaration as present human incarnation
From my side, I never declared that I am the human incarnation. I gave the spiritual knowledge.  The devotees started telling that it is very special and never heard or present in any book.  They started calling Me as Datta. Some of the devotees were pressing Me to show the miracles which were spontaneously expressed.  Therefore, I stated that Datta possessed Me and gave this knowledge and also showed miracles.  What is wrong in my statement?  because this is the concept of any human incarnation.  Gita says that God possess a human body for His divine mission.  I did not believe or declare simply based on the words of devotees unless I had my own proof since I am basically a scientist.  Science never denies the practical proof and it gives a logical explanation of any truth.

Such logical explanation coincides with scriptures and therefore the truth is constitutionally valid.     When the devotees raised some points believing Me as human incarnation, I answered those points assuming that I am a human incarnation, because such points relate to any human incarnation in general.  The answers are valid whether I am the human incarnation or not.  Devotees have repeatedly stated that My knowledge is special and wonderful.  This statement of devotees is the basis on which I developed the subsequent analysis.  The special and wonderful knowledge can be given only by God as per Veda and Gita.  This means that God entered my self and is speaking.  When God enters the human body, that is the human incarnation as stated by Gita and Bible (Manusheem Tanum, God in flesh).  

This does not mean that God has become the human body.  God is in the human body.  The concept of human incarnation is only this much.  Such God given through human body to the devotees is called as Datta. This concept of double personality pacifies the jealousy of even higher devotees.  They accept this and their jealousy is pacified. Even such higher devotees cannot tolerate if  I say that I am the God.  Even though Krishna told  Arjuna that He is God,   He also told in Gita that the God entered human body (Manusheem Tanumaasritam) and also clearly stated that God has not become the human body (Avyaktam Vyakti…).  This means that the God present in the body  of Krishna spoke “I am God” and this statement is not uttered by Krishna.

Arjuna was higher but not highest devotee.  Gopikas were highest devotees, who believed that Krishna is God, who came down directly to the earth.  Krishna made their belief become true because for them God pervaded all over the three bodies including the external gross body.  God super imposed (Adhyasa of Sankara) Himself on the gross body as a human being super imposes His self on the gross body. In the case of God the super imposition is with knowledge due to necessity and in the case of human being the super imposition is due to ignorance.   For them there is no need of any clarification and hence no need of Gita.  But if that concept is revealed to Arjuna, Arjuna will totally reject it because he was a higher devotee and not the highest devotee.  

The highest devotee is only one in millions.  Higher devotees are many like Arjuna.  Therefore, Gita is Universal and is not necessary for Gopikas.  When Uddhava tried to preach the concept of this dual personality (God as possessor and the human being as possessed), Gopikas rejected him totally.   Even this clarification does not pacify the jealousy of some people because they cannot tolerate even the presence of God in a particular human body only.  They want the presence of God in their bodies also. This is the highest degree of jealousy.   Since such highest jealousy is a common point to every human being, the Advaiti revolts against the human incarnation by generalizing that God is in every human body and gets the support of majority.   This is the revolution and the formation of the union of people, who feel that they were suppressed.

 This is communism revolting against capitalism. This is politics in philosophy.  This is a special situation because philosophy enters every subject.  The degree of philosophy (Ph.d.) can be taken in any subject.  Therefore, you have philosophy in politics which is general and normal.  Even though I also felt that this knowledge is wonderful, I never said it because it will be misunderstood by the ignorant people as self praise.  Therefore, if the devotees stated this and if their statement is correct, there is no doubt that I am the human incarnation based on the concept of at least this  dual personality as per the analysis related to higher level of devotees.

Such analysis can be extended even to the highest devotees, which prevents them  from  falling  down to the higher level from their highest level.    This concept of dual personality will at least fix the devotee to the higher level preventing from further fall. The people who fall down from this higher level also, believe God but not the human incarnation. They say that either no human being is God or every human being is God.  Either the concept is totally rejected or is extended to every body.  Let no body be rich or let every body be rich.  There should not be one richest person.  They hate the richest person and gradually they hate even any richer person.  They want equality of every human being.

This is good in economics or sociology (Pravrutti).  But the subject of spirituality (Nivrutti) is completely opposite to the subjects of the world (Durmeti Viparite Vishuchi--Veda).  Sankara had to act like a communist even in the spirituality because in that time the country was filled with atheists of communist-psychology in pravrutti and for them Nivrutti was totally absent.  Hanuman is also an incarnation of Siva like Sankara, but he followed the extreme capitalism in spirituality, which is quite opposite  as said in Veda.  The spiritual knowledge was given by Krishna to Arjuna, when Arjuna fell down on the feet of Krishna with complete surrender as a servant. Krishna said that one should become servant of Guru before receiving the spiritual knowledge (Tat Viddhi Pranipatena….).

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

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stan


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From the descriptions you have given of the journey-yes your God.
dattaswami


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stan;

Krishna analyzed God and world - clearly in Gita and finally told
Arjuna to take final decision, - same knowledge is fruitful in some,
In some it becomes waste, - Arjuna listened but not Duryodhana.
Same rain becomes mud in pond, - but becomes pearl in pearl shell.
Rain and shell are equally important, - in fact shell is more important.
The samskara or attitude accumulated – for the past millions of births
Becomes the main responsible factor, - a wet stick will not catch fire,
Your matchbox becomes empty, - attitude is generated from deeds,
Attitude again generates deeds, - it is a cycle with fixed composition.

Good and bad are fixed in a ratio, – the ratio is fixed in all the births.
The soul rotates and rotates in the – same cycle continuously forever.
The soul comes down from upper worlds – with the remains of attitude.
The composition of this attitude – will generate deeds in the same ratio.
The fresh deeds yield fruits, - now you may say that your past deeds
Are responsible for your present fruits, - it is exactly correct statement.
Your past deeds in a specific ratio – generated attitude in same ratio,
Your present deeds are also in same ratio, - yes, your present fruits
Touch the past deeds as root cause, - in the chain of deep analysis.

The attitude should be strong to – generate a deed in action for fruit.
A weak attitude gives feeling only, - it has very little fruit, no fear.
As long as some body is not hurt – practically, you are not punished.
Even the weak attitude is not good, - it may become strong shortly.
Punishment for sin and pleasure – of heaven for good deeds is
Limited to Pravrutti only and not – in Nivrutti, a totally different field.
Nivrutti is limited to God and your self  - God is never hurt by you.
In Nivrutti every attitude and deed – is sacred, God sees your love only.
The attitude can change its ratio – by hearing spiritual knowledge only.
No other method like fasting, chanting etc., - is useful to change attitude.
You can come out from routine cycle – by the sacred knowledge only,
So says Gita, in the new ratio sin may become – zero and full good.
Then you will do good deeds and – enter heaven again and again.


You can even change attitude to – reach the eternal abode of God.
Analysis of knowledge is your duty, - clear all your doubts from Me.
Attitude is the main factor to lead you – to hell or heaven or God.
Attitude is generated and changed also – by the power of knowledge.
Hence, Satguru, God in human form – is the most important guide,
His spiritual knowledge is real path, - He is your real goal also finally.
knowing
stan


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Thank you! At one level, I see separatness. On another there is only two. On the other there, the two become One. Once one is in the One, it is still not the highest goal. As it has been written, he who neglects compassion has not achieved the highest aim. He must return and live simultaneously across all planes as an instrument of Gods Bidding. Is this correct?
peddling_pony


Age: 27
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Joined: 12 Nov 2007
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dattaswami wrote:
stan;

Krishna analyzed God and world - clearly in Gita and finally told
Arjuna to take final decision, - same knowledge is fruitful in some,
In some it becomes waste, - Arjuna listened but not Duryodhana.
Same rain becomes mud in pond, - but becomes pearl in pearl shell.
Rain and shell are equally important, - in fact shell is more important.
The samskara or attitude accumulated – for the past millions of births
Becomes the main responsible factor, - a wet stick will not catch fire,
Your matchbox becomes empty, - attitude is generated from deeds,
Attitude again generates deeds, - it is a cycle with fixed composition.

Good and bad are fixed in a ratio, – the ratio is fixed in all the births.
The soul rotates and rotates in the – same cycle continuously forever.
The soul comes down from upper worlds – with the remains of attitude.
The composition of this attitude – will generate deeds in the same ratio.
The fresh deeds yield fruits, - now you may say that your past deeds
Are responsible for your present fruits, - it is exactly correct statement.
Your past deeds in a specific ratio – generated attitude in same ratio,
Your present deeds are also in same ratio, - yes, your present fruits
Touch the past deeds as root cause, - in the chain of deep analysis.

The attitude should be strong to – generate a deed in action for fruit.
A weak attitude gives feeling only, - it has very little fruit, no fear.
As long as some body is not hurt – practically, you are not punished.
Even the weak attitude is not good, - it may become strong shortly.
Punishment for sin and pleasure – of heaven for good deeds is
Limited to Pravrutti only and not – in Nivrutti, a totally different field.
Nivrutti is limited to God and your self  - God is never hurt by you.
In Nivrutti every attitude and deed – is sacred, God sees your love only.
The attitude can change its ratio – by hearing spiritual knowledge only.
No other method like fasting, chanting etc., - is useful to change attitude.
You can come out from routine cycle – by the sacred knowledge only,
So says Gita, in the new ratio sin may become – zero and full good.
Then you will do good deeds and – enter heaven again and again.


You can even change attitude to – reach the eternal abode of God.
Analysis of knowledge is your duty, - clear all your doubts from Me.
Attitude is the main factor to lead you – to hell or heaven or God.
Attitude is generated and changed also – by the power of knowledge.
Hence, Satguru, God in human form – is the most important guide,
His spiritual knowledge is real path, - He is your real goal also finally.


It must be nice to copy from one place to another. To repeat words is one thing. To understand is another. Lay at the fee of no one unless he be God himself.
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