eye_of _the tiger, Mysticism, reading, forums, Numerology, Sun Signs, Divination

Posts: 38 · Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:52 pm

I am going to court on november the 6th because I pleaded guilty to withdrawing money out of someones account. I pleaded guilty to withdrawing the money but not to accepting their sumary of facts in other words I did it with the person concerned permission, I am not allowed to approach the person because she is the crowns witness. The bank is taking me to court and because they have paid all the money back to her they are now taking me to court to get their money back and possibly make me the criminal in this case. Can you throw any light in my direction, I guess this is a lesson to be learn't the hard way and not do things for people on face value or blind faith...thanks..

Posts: 4135 · Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:09 am

Why would someone give you permission (presumably only by word of mouth or verbal) to withdraw money out of their account, unless they owe you it for some reason? Why then did they not withdraw it themselves, or have it transferred?

What is (or was) the nature of your relationship to the person who asked you to do this? Married, de facto, business relationship only..................?

What did you do with the money you withdrew?

Wouldn't withdrawing the money require written permission from the current account holder or at least a signature or password if this was an electronic transaction, as giving away your own password and PIN number to someone else is done at your own risk, and is an offence in itself in the eyes of the law (unless of course what should have remained confidential information was obtained by means of the use of physical force, blackmail, or other forms of deceit)?

The account holder should then at least herself be partially liable for prosecution, and for the return of the money withdrawn by the person aka you who assumed (?) that the proper permission had been given for them to do so.

There is little of value I could offer you through a psychic reading which would be regarded as admissible evidence in any court of law I know of. I would however be happy to give you what would be my own very generalised impressions as to exactly what is going on with this situation, but I seriously doubt that you will be able to make an appeal for leniency when there are so many vital questions still left unanswered (at least in my own mind).

The questions above are only a small sample of those which immediately come to mind. Our intuitive abilities are to be used in combination with logic and the facts in reaching a conclusion, and then making a fair and balanced judgement concerning this matter, and not to completely avoid examining ALL the facts as they now stand.

Please do not be offended by what I am about to say, but while I do feel that at present that you are telling me the truth as you see it, you may only be revealing a part of the truth.

That part of the truth which makes you personally accept only minimal responsibility for what you have done (which according to the law of your land is both illegal and a criminal offence and you have pleaded guilty to doing).

I therefore currently feel that I am being presented with a narrowed tunnel vision view of the true picture, upon which to base my reading.

eye_of_tiger

Posts: 38 · Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:29 am

I had Power of attorney to act on behalf of this lady,family friend,this happened in 2005 and the friend is now in her late eighties, because she was also selling a property I decided not to act on her behalf because of the ammount of money involved,so between her and I we decided it was in her best interest that a lawyer look after that side of her affairs. In the mean time she continued to ask me to withdraw her money for her which I did and she and only her spent the money because I passed it on to her. A niece has complained that I should'nt have been withdrawing the money because I did not have power of attorney I said I know this, but she continued to ask me to do so. I should have stopped doing this as soon as the power of attorney was over turned. We had a trust thing going on but now it has turned into a nightmare by the neice who is jealous I guess that her aunt has asked me to do things for her and not the neice....there is no money for me if she passes on it is not like that...I've just helped her out over the years in return for her babysitting my children when they were younger,they are now in their thirties.I am not looking for a ruling no doubt the law is the law and truth will come of all of this. I guess I'm shy and want to tell someone Thanks.

Posts: 4135 · Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:58 pm

Please do not regard any of the following as being a reading, although I may be receiving impressions as I pass on my ideas and thoughts to you about the problems you are experiencing in this matter. I normally avoid giving one when there are legal issues involved, but as you appear to understand that nothing I say here is going to change things with the court proceedings, and I am simply trying to listen to what you say and to give what comfort and assistance I can offer you, then I see no problem in doing so.

Since once you had both agreed between yourselves that it was improper and unwise for you to continue to have power of attorney and your friend continued to ask you to withdraw the money for her (none of which you kept for yourself or used illegally), I do not see that you have any reason for concern if it was all left up to logic. This still does not explain why the bank needed to return the money to her as you say that this was passed on to her and the money was therefore never lost. Since she is the account holder she would have signed the withdrawal forms and she appears to be legally liable for her actions in doing so, regardless of whether you still had power of attorney.

But as I view things you did nothing wrong, and if it was not for your niece who was possibly well meaning in wishing to protect you by advising you that you should not continue to do this when the power of attorney had been overturned (as I am giving her more the benefit of the doubt, rather than immediately judging her as being jealous and spiteful), I doubt that we would be discussing this now.

I suppose you are correct in saying that "I should have stopped doing this as soon as the power of attorney was over turned", but the whole point is that you had a trusting relationship with this lady that had been established over many years, and unless it could be proven that she was of unsound mind when she decided to allow you to continue to withdraw the money or you used some means to force her to do so then ran off with the cash (neither of which I sense is true) this whole sorry affair (as I do genuinely feel sorry that this has come between you as close and trusted friends over many years) has become a storm in a teacup.

Jealousy can be a terrible thing (if in fact your cousin did do this out of jealousy), and although you may see this as a lesson to yourself not to presume that you have someone's permission to act on their behalf when you had established such a high degree of trust between you over many years, what sort of lesson are you going to take from this? I sincerely hope that this whole thing will blow over once it is established that nothing morally wrong or illegal was done and that the only reason this seems to have needed to go to court is because of the interference of your cousin and the highly emotional nature of the subject.

If what you did was wrong (on the basis of the information you have provided) then many people all over the world who do exactly the same favour for their elderly and bed ridden family members will be similarly placing themselves in danger of being prosecuted, for simply helping the person out with the very best of intentions. This is a difficult lesson to have to learn when nothing wrong has been done other than for you to act in good faith while no longer having legal power of attorney.

I feel that this is about as far as I can go with this, without being unintentionally drawn into what is basically a misunderstanding and a family affair. Not only do I hope that the action will be dropped and that common sense will eventually prevail, but I also pray that this will not permanently poison the relationship between you and your cousin.

Love, Light and Peace to you and your's,

eye_of_tiger

Posts: 38 · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:13 am

Thankyou I get your drift and thankyou for listening. It will be sad if everything turns to custard as this has a long term implication on myself and others around me. I will keep in touch with the outcome...The other thing is who has this sort of money to fight for cases such as this I certainly don't at this stage but if I do somehow become financially independant I will think long and hard about what future I have left.... Cheers great forum Bye..