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Spiritalk, help, please.
cedars
Tarot reader

Age: 57
Zodiac:
Cancer



Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Posts: 2799
Location: United Kingdom
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Hello Spiritalk,

I have been giving psychic readings to a medium/psychic recently without using tarot cards, which is my preferred way of divination. So far with all my readings he has come back with positive feedback. I took this as a challenge upon myself to be giving readings to a professional medium/psychic and he sort of pushed me every time to look into a different aspect of his life, even asking me to concentrate on this or that issue. I have accepted the challenge for my own personal development. In return he gave me readings too, which were quite powerful.

He asked me to concentrate on a situation which I had passed on to him in one of my readings where I saw him on a stage/platform interacting with the audience (possibly doing mediumship) and, rightly so, he told me afterwards that he had had a project of that kind (which I did not know about) but it did not materialise due to lack of iticket sales.

He wanted me to concentrate more on this aspect, arguing that if spirit showed me this, then spirit does not lie and that this should come into fruition. At the same time I had been sensing also low energies from him and that he had been under some kind of pressure.

When I went back to concentrate on that topic of the stage etc. I could not get anything on that topic at all. I tried for two days and did not get anything. I went back and gave him a reading of what I did get and told him I was not getting anything on those lines where he wanted me to concentrate on.

In the end I told him that perhpas spirit do not want me or him to know at the present time more than what they had shown me. Perhpas he should wait and see if the stage production (not the one that failed) might come into fruition in the near future.

He also denied that he had been with low energies and that he did not need to recharge his batteries. I did tell him that I trusted what I felt about him and I am sticking to that.

(all this is being done free of charge and in the spirit of me gaining experience in psychic readings).

What is your take on this Spiritalk?

I am not going to take back what I saw of him being on a stage.
I am not going to take back what I felt about him being low in energies and so on.

I dont claim to be a medium for I do not see spirit, but I do believe those sensations and images that I was getting (and I do) were conveyed to me by spirit or some higher energy.

Can you shed some light as to what might have been happening here with him and I in terms of my 'reading' and his views, please?

Many thanks.

Cedars
The psychic needs to do some serious soul searching and closely examine his values
eye_of_tiger
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Age: 59
Zodiac:
Sagittarius



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Cedars,  

I sincerely hope that Spiritalk and yourself will not mind it if I also wish to respond to this posting, but I could not stand by and do nothing when I feel that it is so important for your future as a psychic or medium that you should know that this person is abusing his position as your teacher or spiritual facilitator to the extreme. But not because he is in any way a bad person in himself (understood?).

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I am not going to take back what I saw of him being on a stage.
I am not going to take back what I felt about him being low in energies and so on.


And neither should you have to. If you do give in to his demands to go against your own feelings that the symbols being given to you do not contain genuine insights into this medium/psychic's personality as I believe that they do, then he is effectively asking you to not to trust and to show no sense of respect to your own inner guidance which was responsible for bringing them through you in the first place. To agree with him as if he knows better than you what these things mean would essentially spell the end of your future as a reader as your job is simply to pass on what messages you receive as accurately and completely as is humanly possible, adding nothing and taking nothing away.

If he is as experienced in his field as you suggest that he is, he should be the first person to realise that on many occasions the meaning of a particular message only becomes evident over time. He asked you to focus on certain aspects of his life at a greater depth than you otherwise might have done in the past (which is excellent advice for any reader who wishes to further develop their own reading abilities), then immediately rejects what you bring through possibly because he is uncomfortable with the idea of being a stage medium where his work is opened up to public scrutiny and he could be potentially revealed to be anything but as capable and confident at doing this, as he would like you to believe that he is.

What a strange thing it is for a so called mentor to first encourage his student to extend their gift, then negatively criticise and put them down when they are faithful to the morally correct use of it. My advice based upon what you have told us about him is to recognise that being the most accomplished reader/psychic or medium does not make any of us immune from the usual human weaknesses, and that while he may have exceptional sensitivity and have a wonderful future as a reader, he is projecting his own insecurities on to you in a manner which I feel is responsible for any teacher to do at their student's expense.

He should have just told you outright that he is unable to accept what you are telling him at the time, and while there is the real possibility that you merely with the very best of intentions misread what messages you received for him (I am sure that even he has his bad days when nothing much seems to be working as we all do) and put what you gave him on the back burner for some future time when it's significance to him may become much clearer than it is at present. THere is also another possible explanation that his appearance on the stage in your vision is meant to be taken in a purely symbolic sense as the processes involved in dreaming and giving readings while you are wide awake are very similar in many respects.

In dreams being on a stage is thought to mean that your performance is being closely analysed and put under a microscope. All the world is a stage, and we are just actors or players who are on it. I feel that your assessment of his energies being lower than they should were spot on, and that you are the innocent victim of his own insecurities and fears about the proper use of his intuitive gift in the future. I sense that while he is a very effective and accurate reader, he is unwilling to admit that just underneath the mask of false courage and confidence which he prefers to present to the world at large, he is nowhere near as secure about his gift as he likes to make everyone else think so.

Spiritalk will no doubt have much more to say of wisdom about this coming from her own accumulated experiences as a inspired speaker and spiritual Lightworker, but I feel that she will only confirm and fully support what I have suggested is happening with your mentor. I think that you have unwittingly exposed a very raw nerve with your reading of him, and that unless he is made to see that he is doing you damage as his student by continuing to keep an open mind on the possible meanings of what came through for him, then honestly I predict that he will not be doing this work any longer after 12 months has passed from now.

His energies ARE getting dangerously low, primarily because he is allowing his own fears and insecurities to be projected onto you in a way which is grossly unfair to you, and which could potentially if you chose to take his comments far too personally and too much to heart (which I believe you are not going to) cause you to give up completely on doing readings, when your work on these forums is of such a high quality as shown by the respect and appreciation of the many members you have helped over that time.

Please therefore take it from someone like your friend and loyal fan here (me), who greatly admires the valuable contribution you continue to make to this website and to the people who visit it that you have not made any errors in passing on what insights have come through you pertaining to his own human weaknesses as accurately and without any embellishment of your own making which might alter it's meaning. This does not mean that you should not listen to what he advises you to do from now on as your teacher, but rather that you need to use a greater degree of discernment in sorting out what is useful and good advice from what has inevitably been coloured or distorted by him being as fallibly human as the rest of us all are.

I seriously doubt that his first experiences as a platform medium will be negative purely due to a lack of ticket sales. If this does or already has happened to him, I sense that what you read about him is probably a very big part of the reason why he was or will not be successful at doing this. That is of course unless he is more willing to be honest about his typically human reasons for telling you that you are wrong in what you brought through in your reading on his behalf.

Take care and please do not permit this to make you lose heart as a reader, as I for one would really miss you if you did.

Yours respectfully,

eye_of_tiger  


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spiritalk


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Not much to add to EOT's comments.  This is all about someone with too many personal issues (jealousies for sure) to be a good teacher for anyone.  This type of low personality is doing it to make the point that they are better or no one can be as good as themselves.  When a talented individual comes along, they are put in a position of make false accusations to turn them off or they will be the ones in the lime light rather than themselves.

We all have creative thoughts that take us where we wish to go - in this case a public demonstration is his goal.  Spirit will not back up his ambitions if the motives are not correct.  I would gather he is more interested in the money from the gathered crowd (low ticket sales) than in doing the demonstration and proving himself worthy.  There is definitely a problem with the stage demonstration - with himself or the people he is working with - and he just may have to start small if he wants to create a reputation for himself before seeking the big bucks.

I would strongly suggest you have not found a good teacher in any way, shape or form.  What you have been learning here and doing readings to practice will get you further on your path than a false prophet of your abilities.  Trust your own instincts plays here.   The information you got was valid.  The interpretation by the client is flawed.

BTW we often see a dark energy when we are dealing with a person of low moral character or unethical practices.  He will never admit to that as he does not see himself this way.  Again, trust your own instincts.  And in that way, do not trust his judgement on your talents and skills.
With gratitude...
cedars
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Age: 57
Zodiac:
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Joined: 18 Apr 2007
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Location: United Kingdom
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Dear EOT and Spiritalk,

Thank you both very much for your inputs and, above all, your encouragement for the way forward for me personally. You have both so much confirmed the other feelings I have had about this person in the form of his insecurities which I had to keep inside me and in a way pushed them into the background. Thank you yet again for confirming that my feelings on that aspect were not wrong either.

EOT: I did not mind at all you bringing in your inputs and insights into this. On the contrary, I did appreciate it very much! Thank you for your kind words about my abilities in my humble attempts here at MB.

Spiritalk and EOT: You have both restored my confidence in myself, as when I tried and tried to get further into his question, upon his insistence that “spirit don’t change their mind once they have shown something”, that I started doubting my own relationship with my higher self and my guides… That has been restored now thanks to you both.

He is not my mentor as such, but I adopted him as one during this brief period that I’ve known him, being well aware all the time that he had issues from the past. I am sympathetic of this and will never hold them against him.

Should this relationship continue, (not so sure now),  I am now more confident and will have no hesitation – with tact and consideration – to convey the messages and visions I get from my higher self.

I admire – and follow - both your work in this forum and I am grateful for your time and effort in addressing this issue.

May good health and blessings surround you both.

Respectfully,

Cedars
spiritalk


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Go girl!  'And I'm worth it' is a wonderful phrase to adopt.
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