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IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THIS USE letsbeclear at aol dot com ONLY
ONE PERSONS EXTENSIVE  EXPERIENCE WITH TELEPHONE PSYCHICS on Keen.com and other services:  
1) many of these people have some psychic ability but the primary motive is money, not your well being
2) almost none of these people poses the top notch excellence of moral or ethical qualities or psychological smarts to use this for your best interest.
3) they will and do sque readings to keep you feeling good about what they say so you will call back.

I have spoken with many other longtime callers to Keen.com who have verified this is their experience also.
 Some of these readers sound good and do perceive some things with a great deal of precision. They almost never have your best interest at heart .... they are into making money from you. It was hard for me beleive the extent this is true. Believe me when I tell you: there are a lot of callers who are spending a lot of money being mislead about issues that are important to them ..... if you are new to keen or to online psychics generally ..... BE VERY CAREFUL .....

 ASKING "WHERE DID I LOSE MY CAR KEYS" OR "WHAT DID THE CAT SAY" IS FINE. IF IT IS YOUR EMOTIONAL LIFE INVOLVING INTENSE FEELINGS WHERE YOU COULD GET HURT: GO TO SOMEONE WHO MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEY TELL YOU. KEEN READERS DO NOT; YOU PAY BIG BUCKS WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND MY RESEARCH REVEALS THIS STORY BELOW IS MORE COMMON THAN NOT.
 
THIS IS NOT MEANT TO SINGLE THIS PERSON OUT, SHE'S THE ONE I SPOKE WITH MOST SO I WILL DESCRIBE MY EXPERIENCE WITH HER
 
EMPRESS DAWN. HAS A KNACK FOR SPEAKING WITH A GREAT DEAL OF CONVICTION
AND SHE IS PSYCHIC, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, CONVINCINGLY TOO. I WAS WOWED LIKE CRAZY FOR NUMEROUS MONTHS AND THOUSANDS OF $......
DO NOT ASSUME THE ADVICE YOU ARE GETTING FROM HER OR OTHERS IS GOOD BASED ON THAT BECAUSE MY EXTENSIVE (AND EXPENSIVE) RESEARCH SHOWS IT IS VERY UNLIKELY YOU ARE GETTING GOOD ADVICE. I WAS WOWED AND UNKNOWINGLY MISLEAD BY HER FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND THUS WALKED INTO A MESS BECAUSE I TRUSTED HER AND OTHERS READINGS. IT SEEMED TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE (it was) , I KEPT CALLING BACK, "ARE YOU SURE YOU SEE IT THAT WAY ....? OVER AND OVER, "YES, THIS IS SO WONDERFUL ......"  

I CAME FROM KNOWING PSYCHICS ARE REAL FROM MANY MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE PRIOR TO CALLING PEOPLE ON KEEN. I WAS NAIVELY THINKING THEY ALL HAD THE ABILITY TO TRULY SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE PLUS THE WISDOM, ALTRUISM, SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE TO TRULY HELP. MOST OF THEM DO NOT, IT IS THAT SIMPLE, IN FACT IT IS VERY RARE ON KEEN IF THEY POSSES THOSE TRAITS .....


I ENJOYED ALMOST A YEAR OF ASSURANCES BY E.D. AND OTHERS REGARDING A FEMALE: THE OLD "RETURNING SOULMATE" STORY. SHE SEEMED SO WELL MEANING IF, IN RETROSPECT, IMPRUDENT FOR ENCOURAGING INVOLVEMENT WITH SUCH A DEEPLY DAMAGED PERSON....
E.D. (AND OTHERS) NUMEROUS TIMES OVER MANY MONTHS SAID "HANG IN THERE" "SHE IS GOING TO MAKE YOU SO HAPPY" "SHE'LL BECOME YOUR BE ALL AND END ALL" "IT IS GOING TO BE (NOT EASY BUT...) SO WONDERFUL" "HER PROBLEM IS SHE'S NEVER HAD GOOD SEX, YOU'RE THE MAN FOR THE JOB AND SHE KNOWS IT" "IT IS PROFOUND AND UNIQUE" ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER THAT THE FEMALE IN QUESTION IS A COMMITTED PROSTITUTE AND DRUG AND WEIRD SEX ADDICT WHO IS DEEPLY DISTURBED AND WILL LIKELY NEVER BE A REASONABLY NORMAL PERSON. I REALLY REALLY TRUSTED E.D., SHE SOUNDS TRUSTWORTHY. THE CLINCHER SEEMS TO BE THAT IN THE END SHE REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE OR DISCUSS HER MISTAKE OR THE SIGNIFICANT EFFECT IT HAS HAD. HER ATTITUDE SEEMS TO BE THAT I AM HISTORY.... IN A CONTEXT THAT IS ALL ABOUT ALTRUISM, OR SHOULD BE ALL ABOUT ALTRUISM....THAT IS A POOR SHOWING.

Empress Dawn recently wrote the following to me: " so many readers called me and they laughed telling me how they painted a rosey picture for you . SHE WAS DESCRIBING OTHER KEEN PSYCHICS DISCUSSING DELIBERATELY MISLEADING CALLERS AND GETTING TOGETHER TO LAUGH ABOUT IT AFTER.

ED MAY HAVE USED HER ABILITIES TO DELIBERATELY CON ME SINCE SHE KNEW I WOULD CALL BACK MANY TIMES. I SUSPECT ITS SIMPLY THAT SHE LACKS THE MORAL AND ETHICAL STANDARDS. SHE IS INTO THE MONEY AND THAT'S IT.
BASED ON THE OVERALL PICTURE IT WOULD SEEM HER PSYCHOLOGICAL SMARTS SCORE IS ZERO.

THIS PICTURE DECISIVELY TAINTS TELEPHONE PSYCHICS. THE FACT THAT HER "READING" COULD BE SO EXTREMELY DESTRUCTIVE WAS, AT THE TIME, UNIMAGINABLE TO ME. YES I WAS VERY VERY NAIVE. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT EDUCATED PSYCHOLOGICALLY, DO NOT LOOK INTO THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE THEY "READ" FOR OR NEED TO BE THE TINIEST BIT ACCOUNTABLE OR TRULY CAPABLE OF VISION..... JUST ENOUGH TO CONVINCE US THAT PSYCHICS ARE REAL ..... CLEARLY: QUALITY, DEPTH OF VISION AND OR INTEGRITY ARE ALMOST NON EXISTENT ON KEEN...

OTHERS I'VE KNOWN FOR 25+ YEARS CALLED IT CORRECTLY FROM THE GET GO.... IN MY MIND THEY WERE OVERRULED BY "30 KEEN PSYCHICS ALL SAYING THE SAME THING..."

I HAVE FOUND OUT BY COMMUNICATING WITH OTHER KEEN CALLERS AND ALSO WITH A NUMBER OF READERS WHO POSSESS MORE SKILL, DEPTH AND OR SCRUPLES THAT KEEN READERS HAVE A REPUTATION FOR THIS.
BE VERY CAREFUL. IF YOU WANT TO CALL BACK NUMEROUS TIMES FOR THAT RUSH WHEN YOUR DREAMS ARE VIVIFIED WITH PREDICTIONS OF THEM MATERIALIZING.... IF YOU FIND YOURSELF RUNNING OUT OF MONEY IN KEEN, .... IF THE "PREDICTIONS" ARE POSTPONED, AGAIN.... AND AGAIN...... AND AGAIN ........THAT IS A VERY COMMON PICTURE ON KEEN.COM "THE KEEN SYNDROME"....

IF YOU ARE ASKING TELEPHONE PSYCHICS ABOUT SOMETHING INVOLVING INTENSE FEELINGS THEY ARE QUITE INCOMPETENT. "WHERE DID I LOSE MY CAR KEYS" OR "WHAT DID THE CAT SAY" ARE FINE QUESTIONS FOR THIS SETTING WHICH IS NO MORE EXCELLENT THAN A CIRCUS SIDE SHOW.

IF YOUR QUESTION IS THE LEASE IMPORTANT TO YOUR HEALTH OR YOUR EMOTIONAL LIFE, GO TO SOMEONE WHO YOU KNOW WELL, WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEY TELL YOU AND NO TELEPHONE PSYCHIC MUST BE RESPONSIBLE. OR BE SURE YOU VERIFY ACCURACY BEFORE INVESTING YOURSELF IN ANY WAY....
I HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS THANK YOUS' FOR THIS MESSAGE, NOT A SINGLE NEGATIVE RESPONSE, IT HAS THE RING OF TRUTH FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE....
After 10 months of 100% failed predications......I was temporarily out of money..... my emotional life a shambles insofar as I had listened to her and the others..... she blocked my account....
Nice integrity, altruism... etal.
NUMEROUS OTHER KEEN CALLERS HAVE RELATED SIMILAR STORIES TO ME ABOUT KEEN READERS
the message is that if you cannot verify what a "psychic" is telling you, and it is a matter of importance in your emotional life..... you are on thin ice.....
WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS...


 

I can understand your situation.

I had read once that Jose the famous California psychic had her own psychic line, and over a period of time, was charged with incometax fraud. I had seen her at an Ottawa psychic show, and she looked awfully 'old' and wrinkled, holding her chow chow, tooting a cruiseship showing, of all those who want to see her and take a cruise. I don't know if that got off the foundation, but I could see her career as a psychic was over.

secondly, I had heard that Janet Jackson tried to form a psychic line, and again, that fell through the hoops. It didn't work, as it came up close to Jose's falling apart.

Then, I have heard from my own psychic friends in Ontario, that doing a psychic line reading is not really the proper thing to do, for the people who do these readings, have poor psychic abilities and are trained to say things, in a manner to bring the seeker back. Most are also trained to read cards and leave them open to interpretation.

If you think PSYCHIC FAIRS are for real, you'll find about 2 percent are good. there is a union, I hear, when joining a psychic fair at a centre, that no negative information per se is to be given out, and general readings are the norm. It goes very similiar to the psychic phone callers who give you readings. It would be best to get a palm print reading to find out what your own gifts are, what your aura is like, what are your fav. numbers, colors, and health position is, rather than to get a past life reading, future reading, or psychic/clairvoyant reading at a psychic fair. I've been there, done it, and figured it out very quickly. I have one or two friends in the Ontario region who do these fairs and are very good psychics. The best ones are those you hear about by word of mouth. Some of them give a percentage of their time to do readings online on the internet. These people are very good at reading, because reading through cyberspace is like tuning in on an energy frequency and following it back to the source, the person, seeker.

so if anyone is seeking a reading, it is best to seek those out by word of mouth, rather than to use a psychic phone line, or go to a psychic show. Guaranteed 50% of psychics at the show are very low on the psychic realm. I can give you examples if you wish.

I am personally a spiritualist/seer and supernatural investigator/consultant, and have done my fair share of investigating and participating in these very off shoot types of spirituality.

anyways, thanks for posting, as we all need to be aware of false prophets, seers/readers/trainers/energy practitioners and the list goes on.

Rose

Rose if I remember correctly it wasnt Janet it was her sister that did it.

It is certainly too bad that it took riproarinfun thousands of dollars to figure this out.

Most of what he writes is unfortunately true. Psychic ability and spirituality DO NOT overlap. Someone can be very spiritual and not have a psychic bone in their body. Someone can also be very psychic and not have a spiritual bone in their body.

Keen, in particular, is problematic. There are not enough protections built into the system for sincere, hard-working psychics. The less ethical "psychics" create false Keen idenitites and leave negative, nasty feedback on the listings of the good psychics in an attempt to drive them off Keen. This is the most insidious problem.

The other problem is usually with the clients themselves. It is unfortunate that we live in an age where delusion and fantasy are valued over integrity and hard-work. Every sincere psychic I have ever known has experienced the punishment of self-deluded clients that didn't like what they were told. The sincere psychic finds this perplexing. Psychic perception is all about getting at the truth. However, they quickly find that the clientele isn't interested in the truth.

The lack of moral foundation and accountablity of the Keen clients is also part of the problem. Sincere psychics find themselves unable to make money. Their dream of spiritual edification through psychic service evaporates.

Life is hard. There are many disappointments and heartaches. There are no quick and easy answers. Most personal problems are deep rooted and take time to solve. Effort is required. But there is Light, there is Hope, and there is Truth that can be perceived and experienced despite the darkness.

The wisest thing for someone really interested in psychic perception (and truth) to do is to learn Remote Viewing. Remote Viewing is a rigorous systems of protocols designed to help anyone access their psi function. It was developed by Military Intelligence. It is serious business. Fortunately, it has been declassified and can be taught to civilians today.

RV does not boast outrageous claims of 100% accuracy. Although when a team of Remote Viewers gets together focusing on a single target, the accuracy gets close to 100%. But for the solo Viewer, and accuracy of 80% can be expected. That is not bad...those are pretty good odds. The best part is that because of the controls (protocols) in RV, data can be verified.

Ed Dames is the best RV teacher in the world. You can find his site at www.LearnRV.com

As far as Keen: use it strictly for entertainment. And just because someone picks up on your situation psychically, doesn't mean they are truthful about everything.

James

PS

There was one interesting thing that Rose mentioned in a previous post about dark entities: they are real. And their psychics and mediums that have a host of them ready to infect the unsuspecting victim. Fortunately, with RV, these entities can be detected and exposed for what they are. As are as getting rid of them, her use of energy work is the only way I know of. But better to detect and avoid them in the first place.

An RV target can be any person, place, event or thing anywhere in time or space, past, present or future. Wouldn't you like to RV some famous psychics and find out if their "Guides" are real and what they really are?

your pedantic condescending tone expresses yet another messy aspect of this whole scene