Hmmmm.... You know I am like the proverbial blind man groping the elephant sometimes when I think I get a clear picture, then somehow I lose myself in the conversation

. Maybe all psychic phenomenons are the same no matter how one arrives to it. To me, to invoke psychic help voluntarily is so much harder than using the tools.
I have tried on 2 occasions tried to evoke the "zen" moment after reading Osho's work on zen. He was telling marvelous tales of zen master brought his apprentice to the mountainous small path and ask him to run around and come back to him in night time. The apprentice thought the master was crazy cos there's absolutely no way he could run like that without falling into the valley since it was pitch black, plus the fact that he has never been at that place before. The master showed him so he ran like mad and then indeed ran back to him again. On both accounts I managed to achieve that.
Hi Tarottart

Thanks, nice of u to join in