Hello and welcome everybody...

I have introduced this topic on the understanding to gain information of souls who have lost their lives hundreds of years ago.

I would like you all to help me on this matter regarding water detection in the Wollaton part of Nottingham where I live. The posting is divided into many responses to give you an overall impression of what has been going on.

So hopefully, by providing evidence along side psychic intervention, I would to give you all the overall picture of what I believe occurred over 2000 years ago.

As a psychic, my powers have failed me to group the pieces together, as I believe this is an important project, as more evidence is coming to light.

The whole scenario started a few months ago when I took a walk with the girlfriend along Seaford Avenue during a rainy evening.  As we turned the corner onto Seaford Avenue, a sensation hit me, like never before. The girlfriend was getting her balance at the exact spot.

Next night, I walked again at the same spot and got the feeling.

"You know.....we are surrounded by water"   I said, as I could feel the water cover the top of my head. Where the girlfriend toppled, I could sense a water vortex.

I was talking to a colleague and here is his mail:-

Hi George,
The Wollaton and areas to the N and W are very interesting - and your sensing of water may be being confused by ancient mans activities.
Wollaton is riddled with cavities and tunnels from early coal mining activities. It is said that the Romans worked the area to the west of Nottingham at a time when outcrops of coal may have been simple quarried without the need to dig pits. These quarries [called bassetts] may have been filled in but there relatively soft back fill could have continued to trap and hold water and may still keep the ancient tipped waste in them damp and soggy.
The coal seams dipped to the east going further underground and this forced the following generations of miners to excavate tunnels [adits] under the overburden. These adits were probably inclined downwards to follow the coal seams and would have thus tended to fill with water.
To reach even deeper coal the medieval miners started digging vertical shafts that they opened out horizontally at the bottom to extract the coal. These were called bell pits because of their shape. Even though it was the custom in later years to fill in such bell pits [and maybe the earlier adits] it is probable that the backfill held water almost like a sponge - and may continue to do so to this day. These earlier shallower and smaller pits may have been abandoned after just one season due to flooding.
Some bell pits had the spoil arranged around their mouths like a ring to stop surface water entering the shaft and some of these can still be seen in the Strelley area. You will find ponds with islands in the middle in the fields in and around Strelley & Trowell that may actually be collapsed bell pits. Back filling without heavy tamping underground will indubitable have left voids that have tended to collapse over the centuries.
As the miners were forced deeper they started digging horizontal tunnels at the bottoms of the bell pits but these longer lived individual pits continued to fill with water. The solution where possible were horizontal drainage tunnels called soughs. These larger mines could not be completely filled in by dropping spoil down their shafts when they became worked out and it is probably that a labyrinth of old workings and drainage tunnels survive. It is also probable that water still flows through them [or trapped in them as underground pools] even if they are collapsed and blocked to human exploration.
A major drainage sough was excavated circa 1554 and we think we know where this horizontal tunnel came to the surface [in the vicinity of the much later Nottingham Canal just to the N of the present day Derby Rd]. We may also have clues as to its direction underground. There is an indication that this major 1554 sough may have had boats used in it.
However there were earlier and less deep soughs that we have not traced and all these could still be passing or weeping water.
You say that your garden is flat, elevated and wet. It is possible that it is built over the mouth of an adit or sough and that your elevated garden may be the spoil tip.
The wells in the allotments area may be old bell pits - and that area may have been set aside for allotments because it was unstable and thus unfit to built on.
Overall therefore it may be very difficult to determine the pattern and extent of the flooding you sense due to the complex and ancient ways the water table and drainage has been affected by the mining activities. However one of the Waggonway Research Circle members has read of an ancient and severe flood.

May I first point out before proceeding that all our researches indicate that apart from localised surface disturbances due to mining the topography seems to have remained relatively unchanged for many centuries. Consequently present day contour lines and topography may quite accurately reflect the land form at the time of the flood - and the level to which the flood waters reached.
The most probably source of the flood waters are the rivers Trent and Leen and the Trent may have at times overtopped the flood defence that used to protect the old town of Lenton. As far as we know this flood defence dam was built by the Norman's when they diverted the river Leen below the present day Derby Rd to drive water mills in the vicinity of Lenton Priory and to bring water to mills at the foot of Castle Hill in Nottingham. The diverted Leen still runs along the top of this dam.
To the N of the present day Derby Rd there was a shallow lake that may have been maintained to some extent by the causeway the Derby Rd ran over.

Finally we have the outpourings of the mine drainage soughs to consider.
In the early years of the 1600's the mile long underground Wollaton sough was extended towards Strelley and new coal pits another 2 miles away. This extension and the pits it was draining could have diverted water towards Wollaton that may normally have flowed into the Erewash. Surges down this 2 [plus1] mile tunnel may have added to natural flooding - see http://video.aol.co.uk/video-funny/1902433 as an example of what can happen.
It is possible that the Raleigh Pond adjacent to Lambourne Dive was excavated to counter such surges.
I would like to send you the locations of the features we have identified or have come to suspect - but it might be a better test if I simply asked you to visit certain locations and tell me what you think before I divulge what we think may still exist underground.
Your co-operation could greatly increase our knowledge and the exercise help demystify the area for you. In fact if these suspected underground features are not taken into account [such as what affects the nature of your own garden] I do not see how you can progress and convince others.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Sadly and frustratingly I do not live locally.
Keith.
I will pass a link to the psychic reading section, when the topic develops

Further to the above,

When I went back home, I found the old Nottingham Canal had passed near the spot of my detection,

Yet, the canal was about twenty feet away.

When I had spoken to one of my customers, I was told that the area WAS flooded about eight hundred years ago, and this had been passed by word of mouth only!

It was later discovered, when I spoke to another customer, that a brook had crossed at exactly the same spot of my detection. At first, I had thought that the canal had overlapped my path. See canalmap


If you look at the map "canalproof", you will see where the dried up brook had cut the road, at EXACTLY at my point of detection!

The interesting points, is that the roads nearly all carry a living name memory of what was there.

The road designer must have been psychic.

He looked across at Seaford Avenue because the area was flooded, and thought of a sea.

From Runswick Drive, the water looked like a view of Runswick Bay. This is what he could see in his "psychic eye"


What really clinched the story, was when Keith had sent me a map of Wollaton as a potential flood plane. (see map flood.jpg)

This is not my colouring, but taken from a google site.

Exactly what I had described, as the water would have hit EXACTLY the same spot of my detection.

The map at the bottom is the present day scene....and I had no visual idea of water.

More to follow...

Regards George

My house was built in this area, around the mid forties.
Before this time, existed woods. having spent a good forty seven years in this house, I cannot detect anything "concrete".

Although, I have had instances, whereby a dog is trying to pull my wrist. There is evidence of flooding in my many visions. As I existed as Thomas De Raliegh in around 1035 AD, a monk who had connections with Lenton Priory.

There was a great battle at the time of the flooding, perhaps 840 BC, in which history is lost.

The involvement is with monks, Romans, flooding and Ancient Britons, and here is where my ability stops.

If there is some good that will come out of this, I would like to assist in the best way that I can.

I can see...but no further....

Regards George

What an intersting subject Geroge You have worked really hard, it's quite fascinating seeing history open up from the past. I know when I studied archaeology, I found that most of the time I found it very easy to 'home in'  interesting sites lol.

Hi George-

I took interest in this thread and looked at some old world maps I’ve collected, though everything seems intact. My oldest is a map “The Avgevin Empire in 1154” I think that was during Aquataine … and now I don’t recollect if any mention of a flood of that magnitude(although many books reference flooding was common)  in Nottingham took place in any of my history books of the British Empire. Around 1095 was when Pope Urban II (Odo until he became a part of the Cluniac’s) started stirring the pot and launched the first crusade to avenge a range of crimes committed against Christians by the followers of Islam (I just read this book, yay for me!) and Pope Gregory VII, his predecessor was the catalyst of the first crusade according to history. The Lenton Prioriy of Cluniac influence first vicar (St. Mary’s in Nottinghamshire) was Aitard in 1086. They do not know exactly when the priory itself was established, but that is their guestimate. And allegedly the Templar’s had a map of the “old world” before the great flood.  I give you this information as this is my map (history) of finding the information you request. A link  a book published which you might find useful in your search:


http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:R5M7h9ocWZoJ:www.amazon.com/Templar-Meridians-Secret-Mapping-World/dp/product-description/159477076X+%22First%2BCrusade%22+%22Great%2Bflood%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

I did do some research, there was the great flood of 1947 some links with a picture a of the flood can be found here:

http://www.proweb.co.uk/~roymat/floods/floods.html

http://www.nottstalgia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2559

In the first link it mentions the tempest of thunder, a great flood in the area two spears in height (That would be ten feet or higher depending on the length of spears during that time period) that occurred July 7, 1588. According to what I have reads o far about flooding in Nottingham, it is common, some suggest it s the weirs, while others state it has flooded for centuries.
After a little more investigating I found this link you may find interesting and relates to the flooding of Trent River, history dating as far back as the 11th century.. around the time (era) you get these feelings:

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=991574

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:PW6Z-COFfosJ:eprints.soton.ac.uk/46688/+%2211th%2Bcentury%22+%22floods%22+%22England%22+%22nottingham%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

A snippet for you

“The Trent also has a reasonably well-recorded flood history at least since the 11th century AD.” It seems most referencing to this area Trent River is commonly known as “the thousand year flood-record.”

This link may also be of use to you in your search:

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:Cvl_ToJBJSIJ:www.glaucus.org.uk/History.htm+%2211th%2Bcentury%22+%22floods%22+%22nottingham%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=14&gl=us

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:FyI7057qs_EJ:www.le.ac.uk/lahs/downloads/2001/ArchinLRTLAHS2001.pdf+%2211th%2Bcentury%22+%22floods%22+%22nottingham%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=39&gl=us

Perhaps you can write to the people who did their investigation, they may be able to provide you with the resources you need.

Now, a little investigating on Thomas De Raliegh who is actually Thomas De Raleigh lived in the late 13th century and early 14th century it is unclear of his birth but shows between the time periods of 1284 to 1342. Link can be found here:

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=18643

Anyway, I’ve done enough research… I hope it was helpful to you to help lead you to the answers you seek.

Best Regards,

Angelique