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RishiRahul


Age: 49
Zodiac:
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Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 1908
Location: Calcutta, New York. Toronto
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asro wrote:
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Hey Asro,

Are we not overextending our imagination here?

The native has relationship problems and there are 5 planets in the 7th. house. Obviously that he has 5 planets in the 7th. house(naturally the 5 planets has to be benefics and malefics together).

Which means that the 7th. house is unbalanced.... that is.....improper focus/being inconsistent/troubles through it?

RishiRahul


Pranams Rishiji !!!

Rishiji may be from where you see it might be an overetension of imagination ....  or it might just be the naivity and the "some" passion pushing me this way .....

but thru my frnds eg: who has *mixed bag* in 7h house , its obvious that he is to have some challenges there, but i was trying to see to the rest 8 vacant areas !!!!

for eg a perosn say on street with no knowledge  astrology ... faces a prob. now due to the planetary influence: lets say he has more (4) planets in 5th house  : he faces challenges. For  him its now know y or how .. but simply he has prob in say edu and ke continues his strife  against it.. perhaps that wht the planets  want him to do .. but in doin so the rest areas might go a little unattended .... then shuld he not concentarate over those too ??

for eg :  during my schooling my math was weak .. never scored good (not yet understood y scoring is imp over understanding) .. i was made to put in my extra time on it .. resulting reduction of time for other subjects. This did improve my math SCORES .. but it also reflected it less scores in rest subj !!!! .......... thus i mean to say .. to pay attention in the sense the vacant house do say ..*WATCH OUT *...........

sincerely

Asro





Hey Asro,

I did not meant to hurt you at all. I am sorry if I did.

You were speaking of empty houses in regard to planets, where I tried to explain that the problem could be predicted by considering the concentration of planets in the problem house.

The opposite of this: That is vacant house is like the corrolary to the theorem.. and it exists.

Good different perspective.

Well, the not vacant areas are where stress/active action appears in our life/present life (whichever one believes in). Too many planets in an area is like confusion/inadequacy remaining/ too much focus. This should be balanced by the  vacant houses, particular when the vacant houses are of a particular....like Dharma, Arthha, etc.

Say if 9 planets are distributed in such a way (an ideal condition) that not more than 1 planet in each house:= We tend to concentrate the area where the planets are posited; but tend to neglect the areas which are vacant in our present life.

Again suppose the native has Jupiter in the 7th in his chart, attention will be demanded in his present life, which he will be optimistic about (do not forget to apply the function qualities here) etc.  The circumstances tend to favor the native here.

Similarly think in terms of Saturn in 7th. house.

Cmon........corrupt your imagination... and do give your explanation..

RishiRahul
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asro


Age: 27
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Hey Asro,

I did not meant to hurt you at all. I am sorry if I did.

You were speaking of empty houses in regard to planets, where I tried to explain that the problem could be predicted by considering the concentration of planets in the problem house.

The opposite of this: That is vacant house is like the corrolary to the theorem.. and it exists.

Good different perspective.

Well, the not vacant areas are where stress/active action appears in our life/present life (whichever one believes in). Too many planets in an area is like confusion/inadequacy remaining/ too much focus. This should be balanced by the  vacant houses, particular when the vacant houses are of a particular....like Dharma, Arthha, etc.

Say if 9 planets are distributed in such a way (an ideal condition) that not more than 1 planet in each house:= We tend to concentrate the area where the planets are posited; but tend to neglect the areas which are vacant in our present life.

Again suppose the native has Jupiter in the 7th in his chart, attention will be demanded in his present life, which he will be optimistic about (do not forget to apply the function qualities here) etc.  The circumstances tend to favor the native here.

Similarly think in terms of Saturn in 7th. house.

Cmon........corrupt your imagination... and do give your explanation..

RishiRahul



Salutations Rishiji



The corollary theorem .....  brought a big smile ....  

Rishiji  please do not be sorry .. cos u did not hurt me .. incase that s what  it seems frm my previous reply .. then its purely bcos i havent mastered the art of writing (u see my Mer heavily afflicted and so is Jup :-(  ..  )  

and in addition the dear  Rah really fools the mind with its close conjuction.

and corrupt imagination eh !! thats all wht Rah is doin   ;)

or on the other hand the Sat (the sanatan one) wit jup hold my dhi goin even  lil astray  :D


But the sat in 7th house in the *WEST* seat of power (drigbal) shall make the native work hard .. or  wishes the native must work hard --> as result/or to balance  some past karmas ... might be the native wont be optimistic (unlike with Jup ) .. but shall tend to be tenacious ..



warmly

Asro
rohiniranjan


Age: 56
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Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Posts: 2442

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[quote="asro"]...bcos i havent mastered the art of writing (u see my Mer heavily afflicted and so is Jup :-(  ..  )  

and in addition the dear  Rah really fools the mind with its close conjuction.

and corrupt imagination eh !! thats all wht Rah is doin   ;)

or on the other hand the Sat (the sanatan one) wit jup hold my dhi goin even  lil astray  :D


But the sat in 7th house in the *WEST* seat of power (drigbal) shall make the native work hard .. or  wishes the native must work hard --> as result/or to balance  some past karmas ... might be the native wont be optimistic (unlike with Jup ) .. but shall tend to be tenacious ..
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Maybe I am intruding into a private exchange but there are some discordant notes that brought me out of my shell ...

and some of it may go counter to astro-LOGIC as we have been told to accept lock, stock and barrel!

Mercury as expression, particularly *writing*

Rahu as the agent that fools the mind!

Optimism as the sine qua non of Jupiter (in jyotish!)

And DIKBALI (directional strength!) saturn being the sine qua non for hard work and a 'beaver-like' personality!

Please humour me as you read the following!

Those who read the masterpieces by Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes books!) would know that when Sherlock was stuck often he relied on the nearly invisible little boy (Martin? For some reason that name springs forth?) who for a piece of silver or whatever would bring the information to Holmes that Sherlock could not otherwise get and the little urchin (mercury) could, inconspicuously, but did not care what the information was about! The little tyke had full trust in what he was doing, in Sherlock and was assured of the payment!

Rahu (and his tail end -- ketu) was perhaps not trying to trick anyone? Perhaps when the Vishnu-chakra came by slicing him, maya vanished and he realized the reality and woke up! Contact with Gods would do that Yes Rahu would in some case feel betrayed and used and angry but it is not about maya but seeing through maya, once Vishnu's symbolic chakra that awakens cuts through the 'crap'!

And good old saturn? Dik bali planets are special because they have found their direction, their alignment as to where they should be heading! Makes sense?? No matter how accomplished and bright and gifted and truly deserving of all their glory individuals with saturn in 7th are, the best ones have a wonderful presence. They by natural selection find that there are experiences around them, affecting them and others that teach humility and pragmatism.

Sometimes 'service' that saturn is attributed with alone is not enough! Humility is not negative always! In one example very crudely as shared with me during my jyotish journey was that of a paeditrician. She was called to see an infant who was in a building away from where the hi-fi modern services existed. This gifted, very highly placed and a beautiful soul, knew what needs to be done! She picked up the infant, like a mother would and literally ran over to the other facility where she then proceeded to revive the infant and all propriety and ego and administrative paperwork could wait! Service? Urgent response? The perfect sense of direction and what needs to be done? ...
RishiRahul


Age: 49
Zodiac:
Gemini



Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 1908
Location: Calcutta, New York. Toronto
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asro wrote:
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Hey Asro,

I did not meant to hurt you at all. I am sorry if I did.

You were speaking of empty houses in regard to planets, where I tried to explain that the problem could be predicted by considering the concentration of planets in the problem house.

The opposite of this: That is vacant house is like the corrolary to the theorem.. and it exists.

Good different perspective.

Well, the not vacant areas are where stress/active action appears in our life/present life (whichever one believes in). Too many planets in an area is like confusion/inadequacy remaining/ too much focus. This should be balanced by the  vacant houses, particular when the vacant houses are of a particular....like Dharma, Arthha, etc.

Say if 9 planets are distributed in such a way (an ideal condition) that not more than 1 planet in each house:= We tend to concentrate the area where the planets are posited; but tend to neglect the areas which are vacant in our present life.

Again suppose the native has Jupiter in the 7th in his chart, attention will be demanded in his present life, which he will be optimistic about (do not forget to apply the function qualities here) etc.  The circumstances tend to favor the native here.

Similarly think in terms of Saturn in 7th. house.

Cmon........corrupt your imagination... and do give your explanation..

RishiRahul



Salutations Rishiji



The corollary theorem .....  brought a big smile ....  

Rishiji  please do not be sorry .. cos u did not hurt me .. incase that s what  it seems frm my previous reply .. then its purely bcos i havent mastered the art of writing (u see my Mer heavily afflicted and so is Jup :-(  ..  )  

and in addition the dear  Rah really fools the mind with its close conjuction.

and corrupt imagination eh !! thats all wht Rah is doin   ;)

or on the other hand the Sat (the sanatan one) wit jup hold my dhi goin even  lil astray  :D


But the sat in 7th house in the *WEST* seat of power (drigbal) shall make the native work hard .. or  wishes the native must work hard --> as result/or to balance  some past karmas ... might be the native wont be optimistic (unlike with Jup ) .. but shall tend to be tenacious ..



warmly

Asro





Hello Asro,

Sorry for the late exchange from my side.

Your view of Saturn in the 7th. is enlightening.

As you said:
But the sat in 7th house in the *WEST* seat of power (drigbal) shall make the native work hard .. or  wishes the native must work hard --> as result/or to balance  some past karmas ... might be the native wont be optimistic (unlike with Jup ) .. but shall tend to be tenacious ..

RishiRahul= logical understanding, Asro. Great going!

Saturn with Digbala gives the understanding/treating of the 7th. house with serious understanding... but the natural qualities of Saturn gives difficulty in achieving it.

The past karmas, as you said, I would define as the problems/experiences in the younger ages which did not help the native to perform well in communicating presently.... therefore the balance ?( mebtioned by you).

Yes, the optimism, obviosly does not arise, unless the Saturn is a functional benefic, aspected well/beneficially; but still making the achieving effortful.

Good logic from your side. Again this can be extended further in aspecting.

Fire it more....if it pleases you.

RishiRahul
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