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Posts: 658 · Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:33 pm

sidewalk_bends wrote:

stan wrote:

I have another question I would like for you to share your thoughts on. It is this, do you believe there are any texts that were directly inspired by God, to offer guidance to those He Loves?

I believe many texts were once initially inspired by God, whether it is the Bible, Koran, or Bhagavaghita. But texts have been written and rewritten so many times over that I believe the original intent has been lost. Sometimes though even when texts have not been distorted and rewritten to be more conducive to one's own personal beliefs, I believe people must always ask themselves from within their heart whether what they read, hear or are told is indeed the truth. Again to me, I believe that God truly speaks from our hearts, that everyone may indeed be inspired. Whether we listen is another story.

That is not to say though that no good cannot be gotten from current texts or interpretation. It is to say though that so many use for their own self-fulfilling purposes.

God has given a measure of faith unto each man and it is up to us to apply that faith in our search for truth. Jesus made and interesting statement when answering one of His Own and it was this that He responded to,"LORD HOW IS IT WE WILL SEE YOU (AFTER HIS ASSENT) AND OTHERS WON'T? hE RESPONDED AND SAID, FOR ANYONE WHO DOES MY FATHER'S WILL I WILL MANIFEST MYSELF UNTO THEM AND ME AND MY FATHER WILL COME AND SUP WITH him AND HAVE ARE ABODE IN him. WHAT A PROMISE-CHECK IT OUT AND SEE.

Posts: 658 · Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:48 pm

Rhutobello wrote:

I don't think God have written any of the words....but they have been inspired by love and respect for mankind and that in itself can be an act of God.

As time have passed Man has defined and changed the script to suit "the "leaders" view and the need to control it's members.
This will no real believer see, but in fact there have been a big development in how Man look upon the script today and how it was in the beginning.

This you can among other read here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

Which show how a "source" belief have been divided into 3 major paths and where each part look upon the 2 others as wrong believers.

When such thing can happen to source material....who can then point at a fellow Man and say You don't own the truth? Only we know it.....but do they ?

Most Religions have the "rules" to show other people respect, to do to other what you want them to do to you...to not steal and so on....
This is thing I find most important of all, and which we all should live by, then the world would be a much better place to be.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS MUCH WE AGREE ON. I HAVE SEEN WITH MINE EYE AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN, HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY SACRED TEXTS. FOR ME, MY HEART RESTS IN ASSURANCE. JESUS SAID, BLESSED ARE YOU FOR YOU HAVE SEEN AND DO BELIEVE BUT MORE BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN AND YET, BELEIVE. YOU MAY, OF COURSE ASK ME HOW I KNOW THAT WHICH I HAVE SEEN IS TRUTH AND ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS WORLD, OR NO POWER THAT CAN SEPARATE US FROM THE LOVE OF GOD.

Posts: 7755 · Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:23 pm

Yes, and I think we also can agree on a lot of thing if we start to discuss Religion out from what good it can do to most people.

What it seems we can't agree upon is "the bigger view", that all religions contain some truth....that all Religions gives "comfort" to their followers and that in the end all "Pray" or believe in the same God....even if we call him/her/it with different names.....just as shown by the Abrahamic link.

Instead of competition between Religions, it should have been the members way of life that attracted new members to their fold, and we should all meet each other with respect and care.

You are saying that you have Great love for God and Jesus...and I am very glad you so have....but do your joy increase or decrease by how many that share your belief?

And let me end this with the same statement as you did...I respect you..I respect your belief and all in all I think we have had a nice discussion

Posts: 658 · Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:18 pm

Rhutobello wrote:

Yes, and I think we also can agree on a lot of thing if we start to discuss Religion out from what good it can do to most people.

What it seems we can't agree upon is "the bigger view", that all religions contain some truth....that all Religions gives "comfort" to their followers and that in the end all "Pray" or believe in the same God....even if we call him/her/it with different names.....just as shown by the Abrahamic link.

Instead of competition between Religions, it should have been the members way of life that attracted new members to their fold, and we should all meet each other with respect and care.

You are saying that you have Great love for God and Jesus...and I am very glad you so have....but do your joy increase or decrease by how many that share your belief?

And let me end this with the same statement as you did...I respect you..I respect your belief and all in all I think we have had a nice discussion

You have left me with a very good question when you asked if my joy increases, or decreases by how many share my belief? That question has been in my heart for many years, so I am not a stranger to it. I am also not a stranger to crossing the great ocean of existence. I can tell one of the pitfalls in this journey. I don't puff myself up because of this, or want any followers, or want anyone to think more of me than I am, for I have nothing that was not given. I can tell you of things that have come in the way of physical manifestations that others will testify to, that would still be disputed. I could walk into any temple and see God and not by way of reason and intellect. For me, words come to life. There are no riddles for me, as Side-Walk stated about himself. You once wrote to me my friend and said"WE INTER ACT WITH THE PERSONALITY OF GOD. OH, HOW TRUE IT IS! DOES HE BRING US A LIE? NO! THERE IS NO FALSEHOOD IN HIM. HE BROUGHT JESUS TO YOU ALSO. IT ALL FITS AND YET, WE PICK AND CHOOSE. MY MESSAGE IS A SIMPLE ONE AND IT IS THIS, DON'T REJECT ANYTHING HE HAS BROUGHT, FOR WHEN YOU DO, YOU HAVE ELEVATED YOURSELF ABOVE GOD. LOL

Posts: 722 · Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:58 am

stan wrote:

Rhutobello wrote:

I don't think God have written any of the words....but they have been inspired by love and respect for mankind and that in itself can be an act of God.

As time have passed Man has defined and changed the script to suit "the "leaders" view and the need to control it's members.
This will no real believer see, but in fact there have been a big development in how Man look upon the script today and how it was in the beginning.

This you can among other read here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

Which show how a "source" belief have been divided into 3 major paths and where each part look upon the 2 others as wrong believers.

When such thing can happen to source material....who can then point at a fellow Man and say You don't own the truth? Only we know it.....but do they ?

Most Religions have the "rules" to show other people respect, to do to other what you want them to do to you...to not steal and so on....
This is thing I find most important of all, and which we all should live by, then the world would be a much better place to be.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS MUCH WE AGREE ON. I HAVE SEEN WITH MINE EYE AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN, HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY SACRED TEXTS. FOR ME, MY HEART RESTS IN ASSURANCE. JESUS SAID, BLESSED ARE YOU FOR YOU HAVE SEEN AND DO BELIEVE BUT MORE BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN AND YET, BELEIVE. YOU MAY, OF COURSE ASK ME HOW I KNOW THAT WHICH I HAVE SEEN IS TRUTH AND ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS WORLD, OR NO POWER THAT CAN SEPARATE US FROM THE LOVE OF GOD.

I am glad that your heart rests in assurance and that you do not seek followers. For that I am truly thankful. For those who still question their heart, do you not think that it is dangerous for one to confirm what they have seen or experienced simply by sacred texts? I ask that because, it is true there are many prophecies and many things written and attributed to God, but again some including those who continue to find their path after this life in spirit still cling onto texts which have gotten them lost. Some see themselves as the ones to bring certain texts to fruition, whereas still some others use it to justify their actions, without truly asking from whom or from where such texts are inspired.

Some spirits have a way of influencing others that their prophecies may come true so that they may gain the confidence of those they try to lead. I was curious of your thoughts on this.