Strong story you told there.

BUT, since it never have been proved that any spell really exist, then we need to put it in the same category as Religion.

Religion have many convinced people, who have great comfort in their belief, and there have been several miracles on any side or ideology.

What is common for them all is the power of belief, and the lack of questioning. The stronger the belief...the stronger is the miracle.

I can agree that we don't know it all...I agree that there is much more in the world then what we can prove.

The reason for me to go against spell as a way to dmg, is the power of belief....if everyone say that spell is dangerous then spell are dangerous.
If everyone say spell can only do good, then it will be for the good, because our brain tell us so.

It is almost the same as Paradise and Hell, the counterparts in Religions.

And to be sure...I don't know the truth either

In response to the above post, and bare with me here since I am a new member after all and don't know all the rules by heart, but, with that line of rational, all of the stuff on this forum is a placebo and pseudo science since it has never been proven to exist. I don't see how agnostic spiritiuality is any bit more innocent than religion. not knowing does not substantiate an oppositional argument. Second, it's your board and all but why do you post in the magic section if you think it's quackery?

There is difference in negative and positive approach to any problems.

Normally positive approach help a person, even if it not solve any problem, but the chances is greater to spot a solution because you don't deal with despair.

Negative approaches to any problem, will magnify the problem, and since we are in a negative state solutions might not be spotted even if it is by your nose tip.

We can absolute have a site like this where we advocate the positive approach, and fight the negative.

If you saw my last line it state : "And to be sure...I don't know the truth either", and since none of us know the truth...Why not focus on the positive, IF the NEGATIVE can't give you any help whatsoever?

BTW welcome to the site, and it is always good to see others opinions...only then can we develop...only then can we change....if we find that we was wrong  

What about all the druids shamans mystics sages etc. who have first hand experience confirming that energy work that is considered magic and spell craft have a science to it's practice(note; I dislike the word science as it brings to mind people skeptizing that spirit couldn't exist since their machines have no way of detecting it, I prefer to the word art as it brings to mind using different relationships of different energies to create, but for the sake of defending ancient practices their is a science to it), and their practices have proven results, they just don't prove them to people who don't want to believe. Jesus said something along the lines of why give proof when you could still refute even then, and those who follow the way are followed by proof/results, or in the context of the bible verse, works and miracles.

I read snippet in a book called The fifth sacred thing where a description of what miracle is was given that I quite like. It's from an old Spanish saying. There's two words the bad world below and the good one above. In the bad world you trip and break a bone, in the good world you slip can catch your balance. The good news is the good world is always just above the bad and can pull them self up into the good. The bad news is in the bad world one is more likely to be weakened and have more difficulty pulling them self up. A healer is described as one who has the strength to pull others up into the good world, without falling down them self.

Non of us have the absolute truth perhaps, but truth is all around us and within us. We can bring truth to light, we can live it, and we can express it.