ok
so your a rev .. priest... minister.. of some sort.( demonologist maybe)


all beings are SPIRIT...
IE the ability of the human being to astral travel .. with the spirit body..or soul...

but then again.. this isnt so .. by your thinking.
the laws of physics do apply to the energies and to the soul..

I have to say.. that you and I will just have to disagree and leave it at that..you do not see things from a metaphysical point of view along with the view that you have.

but I can speak from experience.. I have seen and spoken to both of my grand.das.. who have past on.( and I have dealt with nasty spirits and know the difference in vibration)
and my grandmother has come to visit in a dream a few times.
and in all things there is science.

people are drawn to things they do not understand .. maybe that is why you are here now... to learn.
but again .. you and I will just be at peace knowing that we will disagree on this subject.


Ravenuriel~

Rav I am not here to antagonise you. My intention was far from it rather I am just trying to offer whatever knowledge that I have come across to people here.
I do believes in Human Soul but I do believe it is secret a mystery to us. What I don't believe is that one can contact ones loved one or there spirit can come and contact you. That was all.

You have to understand that their are things that are real but at the same time their are so much superstition attached to it. I know it sounds strange as it is something that you would here from a skeptic.

I am not denying the paranormal, I am not denying the existing of the hUman souls, I am not even denying that someone saw what they saw. What I am saying it is not who they think it is.

Rav, I am not a preist, minister, not a christian,. I am just someone who read a bit.

I don't expect that everyone to read this and go away believing, I expect them to have an open mind as much as they expect of me and consider the possibility that what I am saying is true.
I do feel it is good that you are having this conversation with me. It is fruitfull one does not have to agree but go away with something.

You mentioned you dealt with nasty spirit,can you describe your expereience.?
Why do you think you have those encounters as such?

Sule..

I deal with the spirit realm often..
I do house cleansings and blessings.. I have seen shadow ppl.. and I have seen honest spirits of loved ones who have past..
that is why I have such an issue with you sharing * what you have read*
Now if you had a degree in psychology and was coming from that arena.. yeah I could do this with you.
but to just read something and then have the mind set that you have the ability to educate someone.. no.
I have a Ph.D. in Religion, a Dr. in Metaphysics, and I am a Minister. This is where I am coming from no to mention.. life experience.

I do this, it is part of my life.. I help those with paranormal happenings
sometimes the happenings are self induced.. and I have to tell them that too. I am not one sided. I will tell them exactly what it is.. if it is paranormal or environmental
the truth is the truth and that is what they need.

That is all
Raven~

And Raven is my given Native American name.
its actually
Spirit Raven..
because I can bring information back from the void as the Raven did in NA lore.

Demonic Spirits-

 First lets clarify what they are.  There are three main levels to creation the mental or thought, the physical form and the spirit that makes it all possible.  ALL THINGS COME FROM THE SOURCE!! This means good and evil as well.

Hu.mans tend to anthropomorphise ideas and physical forms giving them human or human-like qualities.  Example: Lightning is flashing in the sky.  Lightning is of the natural world and comes from the Creator.  We as hu.mans create the characteristics of a Deity like the most unknown Fulgora who is the Roman Goddess of lightning.  Fulgora has a mythology around her, human traits etc.

So she is a story.  Is he then unreal?  Absolutely not.  There does exist the Spirit in lightning, just as it is in all things.  The Spirit of lightning is known [in one form] as Fulgora just as Gaia is the spirit of the Earth.  Gaia is The Goddess that provides everything we need to live here on Planet Earth.  She is the anthropomorphised or human characteristic idea of Planet Earth.

Both of those examples are physical.  So what about mental?  

All thought has the potential of manifesting in the physical [Be Thoughtful Of What You Wish For]  All thought comes from the Creator (Funny how nothing is original to the hu.man and yet we fight over copyrights and trade marks hehe)  So an angel is the anthropomorphisation of good thought and deed.  The embodiment of good in a human-like figure.  Again there are huge myths that go along with the angels or angelic beings, even hierarchies and names and even a leader type which most hu.mans call God.  Being that there is balance in the Universe, there is also evil, and the anthropomorphisation of evil is the demon, with the supreme evil attributed to some devil or Satan.  

Are they then just stories and myths and not real?  Absolutely not they are just as real as Gaia the Goddess.  Remember Spirit is in all things.  

They are however not as one is taught in an organized form of religion, and do not exist in the physical at least not in our experience [anything is possible]

If in Magickal work you set about invoking Demonic energies, you are infact invoking Demons.

There is not much reason to invoke them except when you are ready to 'conquer your inner demons'.  

An Evil or Demonic Spirit is the spirit of an evil thoughtform anthropomorphised!  Understand that.

They could take a shape that resembles someone you know, but only if you have assignes some nast attribute to them, so a loved one is out of the question.  

We as humans have the potential to think up the most evil of the evil and the most good of the good and then act on it, bringing it into existence.  

What do you want to create?

There do exist ghosts as well, the energies of a deceased hu.man.  All humans have it in them to be good and evil [The Above Is As The Below And The Below As The Above To Perfect The Wonders Of The One] and if they were truly nasty and their energy still on this plane for some reason they may be confused as a demon, but that isn't so.  They are a ghost-let them know they need to move on.

I hope this is of some value to you!

The problem I find especially when trying to approach this subject in english especially to an english speaking audience is that when you say certain words for example:

"Spirit" they automatically think "Ghost" (A  spirit of loved one), and some can be bitter/bad and some can be good. Personally believe it is impossible for the living to see the spirit of a Human being or their soul after they died. Hence my stance that it is usually a demon in disguise.

When one say Demon they usually think something other than spirit.  Red and Horn with a tail comes in mind. Who knows? maybe not far off!!. However the word Demons just means malevont spirit and hence it is another reason to believe they are not Human spirit roaming the earth.
Don't get me wrong I am not denying spirits exist nor that they are good aswell as bad amongst them I am just saying they are not spirit of someones deceased parents, sons and daugthers e.t.c.

The other word not so popular but I prefer is the word Jinn but here again people get the Image of Alladin and his Magic Lamp Image. Thanks to the film Industry.

I think part of the faults lies with the Movie and popular TV shows and some part lies with the person itself for trying to mix different cultural beliefs with each other.