By the way, I hope you don't mind my asking, but where in NJ are you from? I was raised there from age 7 up until just three years ago. Northern NJ. ^_^

I'm in northern NJ, too--just across the river from NYC (I don't want to give the name of the town, just because there's a picture of my son posted somewhere on the board).  But I love Florida, too.  My mother lives between St. Augustine and DAB, so I'm down there a lot, too.

Doe

First thing you must know. The Spirit of you loved one cannot be contacted period. If anyone makes claim they can, they are either phoney or they indeed contact something but definitely not the spirit of your loved one.

Most importantly ovoid people like that like a plague and never ever get yourrself involved with them.

Now to the topic of what is called as spirits. They are beings that exist in the realm of unseen, they can manifest itself either in their true form or some other forms.
The word demons actually is reference to a spirit that harms. Another word for spirits you might hear is called Jinn, the point being every culture has a word for it and it is reference to the same beings.

Now the practianary of "Magic!" would actually contact the spirit/demon who pretends to your loved one, it is usually a spirit who is familar with you loved one thus some are very convincing and may know things about you and your family.

Sule...

I have to strongly disagree..
you said.. that the practitioner of the magick.. would contact the spirit..
..
ok..
now if we are spirit beings only using the body as a vessel to experience this life.. then when they body dies.. the spirit moves on..
and the law of energy .. it is always in motion.. therefore it does not just stop being.. so neither do we.
therefore, the loved ones who have passed CAN be contacted..
simple science.

and as far as demons.. yes solomons books list them..
the different vibrations of the beings determines which level of the ether they are on.. different ppl say different things.. it depends on who you talk to about this subject..
and yes a demon can imitate your loved one to get your attention.

that is all I have to say for now.


Ravenuriel~

My assertion "not being able to contact the dead" has nothing got to do with the law of physics. You can say the law of physics and energy does not apply to the soul.

All I am saying the word is not set up "so you can contact the deceased" many people wan't to believe they are so they believe anything. Sometime the practionary is a phoney and when the real deal come to them, it is always a demon/spirit/jinn whatever you wan't to call them either appear in there form or comunicate with the medium.
The point being wheter you went to see a medium or it just happened either way it is never your dearly departed loved one.

There was another person who made a post about seeing apparition of Virgin Mary and Jesus, it is the same thing.




My intention was not to talk about solomon. I am not learnt in those books some attribute to solomon.
Yes there are spirits/demons/jinns/ that are different to each other. They have their races. Some are very strong, some are very fast, some can dive into the deepest recess of the water, some can change to certain shape.



I know what some people here believe but this is what I am trying to say that it is always a spirit that is imitating your loved one.

I know that is the last thing someone wants to hear who has or deciding to contact there loved one:
"you know the time you contacted your mother?, well it was actually a demon".
That is assuming the medium was not a phoney.