I understand the description for the 8. Are 8's suppossed to be hard to have in your chart? What is the significance of the 17? is there any?

the seventeen  is the birth day of the date given  a important core number every number has its good /bad expressions   and its now then relate to other numbers in your chart  but there are ways of working out energies that seems to work against each other  .


17 :
It is spiritual growth, faith, and balance. It is also wealth or bankruptcy. It is an inner struggle to remain true to spiritual and moral values.

17 birth day

You are highly ambitious, and blessed with excellent business and financial instincts. Your approach to business is original, creative, and daring. You are highly independent.

You have very sound judgment. You are an excellent manager and organizer. You are gifted with the ability to see the larger picture, and, remarkably, how the details come into play. You are efficient and can handle large projects.

Your challenge is to avoid becoming obsessed with your own judgment and power to the point that you refuse to delegate authority or responsibility to others. You can easily slip into the role of dictator - benevolent or otherwise - feeling that you and only you has sufficiently sound judgment to guide the ship.

You are self-confident and have high expectations of yourself. Interestingly, the expectations of others stimulate you, especially if they doubt you can pull off what you intend to do.

You tend to be dramatic, especially with money. You have a need for status and may show off the fruits of your labor with an impressive car or house.

Whether it is business or socially oriented, you have a big dream. Your ambitions spread out far and wide and you will not rest until you have placed your mark on the world.

You love your home and family and like to be complemented. Avoid becoming domineering or possessive of your enterprise. Share the fruits of your labors with others, which will multiply your pleasure manifold.

a question for you  if i may

is the glass half full or half empty

again one needs to look at key energies for a certain number and build a positive outlook according .

merry christmas

what about 21.. i am born on july 21 1989..

Hi whitey  first of all i want to wish you a Merry Christmas

now as for as the 21 birthday vibration of the three

You are highly creative, with a strong will to succeed. You have a social gift. You get along well with others and generally enjoy people immensely.

Your imagination is highly charged. It reveals itself in everything you do, from your sparkling conversation to your most prized projects. You are quick witted and can think on your feet. Both your mind and body are vital and seemingly radiating with life.

You are talented in writing and verbal skills. You can succeed as an artist, writer, or editor.

You are inspiring and enthusiastic. You uplift social gatherings and often serve as the life of the party. You are an excellent salesman.

Your challenge is to ground and focus your energies deeply in a specific field or endeavor. You must develop yourself and your talents in order to make the most of your life. Otherwise, you can easily let charm and wit pass for outstanding work, thus wasting your talents.

You can be nervous and even given to paranoia, especially when your nerves become frayed or your imagination runs out of control.

Your love runs deep and you can be passionate. More often than not, however, you are on the receiving end of affection, simply because people are charmed by you or attracted to your charismatic personality.

the name whitey is also a key  

"Whitey" reflects idealism, the good of mankind.  "Whitey" is the humanitarian
with the power to make things happen and the integrity to stay the course.  A
mover and a shaker, without a selfish bone in its body; the name "Whitey" attracts
respect, support, and devoted fans.  It seems even that the Universe tends to
support what the name "Whitey" represents.  Speaks to people of all walks of life.  
Tolerant and broad-minded.
This name pursues goals other than money and power.  It seeks justice.  It wants
to feed the hungry and heal the sick.  And yet, the resources it needs to do the job
seem to always magically appear.

Most positive characteristics: Integrity, love for all, charisma.   Encourages the
best in people.
Most negative characteristics: Naive, seeks fame, vulnerable to criticism, not a
good judge of character.


The vowels in "Whitey" add a considerable amount of dynamic, highly charged
and often passionate energy to the Dominant Impression.  It enhances a sense of
freedom, adventure, variety, risk-taking, sensuality, adaptability, and flexibility.  
They reflect intelligence, curiosity, and enthusiasm.  They add spice to the name.  
The art of self-promotion can be a real asset.  The vowels also reflect an
enhanced ability to communicate, to think clearly in a crisis.  Generally, they are
also a sign of good physical and mental reflexes.
Extrovert and social, the name tends to lower our usual limits towards
indulgence.
Not particularly stable and certainly unpredictable, the vowels nonetheless inspire
deep and lasting commitments.


The Base Vibration in "Whitey" reflects reliability and consistency.  It radiates
trust, efficiency, common sense, and a down-to-earth and practical nature.
One feels secure and in capable hands.  The base vibrations in "Whitey" radiate
strength, efficiency and dependability.  Family values and strong morals are also
present.  At the same time, the base vibrations make one feel that the name
"Whitey" represents a conventional, unimaginative temperament, even rigid and
boring.

again a full look at all the numbers and vibrations that make you who you are .
need to be looked at in detail then one can start to see the bigger picture
and how these different number and vibration work together are against a person

Merry Christmas to you too!
These numbers are for my daughter...who is two. She was born on the 9th of December 2005. Her name adds up to the 89/17/8.  I was told in Chaldean Numerology 17 means immortality and is a very fortunate number. I wonder what each system goes by to make the numbers descriptions different?