Okay I have been thinking yet again. lol

There seems to be some who come into contact with these entities and I would like to hear their thoughts on how to banish, or how they guard themselves in these type of encounters with those "evil" spirits.

This is a very rare occurance for me to come into contact with such things that I feel the need to guard myself.  More common when I was married to my ex-hubby, and hightened when we were seperated until I had my best friend Virgo perform a blessing. Don't know what she really does, but she is wonderful at it.  That night we were talking, papers were flying off the refridgerator, there were voices heard in the apartment, she heard these things over the phone and exclaimed that she was comming right over to collect me and my daughter!  When she got there something happened, as we were trying to leave the building the door slammed shut and her husband was trying to force it open so we could get outside.  Finally we were able to get out of the building, her husband jumped over the car to rush into the driver seat, and we all piled into the car as quickly as we could.  Over and over in my mind I tried to explain it. Her husband was a skeptic too, but this terrified him.  There was no wind that night, the door shouldn't have slammed shut like it did.  I too heard the voices comming from another room in our apartment that Virgo was hearing.  The papers shouldn't have flown like they did off the fridge.  It was like someone does when they are angry and just takes their arms and sweeps it across an area.  This was not a good spirit, I knew it ment me harm.  That I could feel.  I felt powerless against it.  Something really rare for me.  I do not spook that easy, that night I was terrified.  

Why do I not encounter all those evil spirits that so many mediums talk about?  I mean if it happens it is rare, very rare.

What do we do when our spirit's natural safe guards in place is not effective enough to counter these entities?  

These are spirits that have pushed me down, or left physical markings on my body.  Something that rarely happens, but when it does, it is a real eye opener. These are the spirits I call evil.  Ones that can cross over and cause physical harm.

Looking forward to everyone's thoughts reguarding this, and how they learned to deal with them.

Safe Journey

Hi, Crow,

I LIKE when you do your thinking!  It always makes for interesting and insightful reading for the rest of us!

There's not much that I actually have to say on this subject, actually, as I'm still trying to figure a lot of it out.  I do think it's important to learn to discern between what, if anything (jury's still out on that for me!), is truly "evil", and what/who is simply scared, confused, or angry about something that may well have nothing to do with us--we just "overhear" things because we CAN...not everything is directed at us (that was a good lesson for me to learn, when I finally learned it).

I think it's best to just think of spirits as we do the living.  Some are kind and sweet and helpful and fun; others, for whatever reason, are the opposite of those things.  So what do we do with the living when they are in the latter category?  First, try to understand WHY they are behaving like that--is there something that others don't see about them that makes them act out (for example, childhood abuse, etc.)?  Can we help them with that by trying to acknowledge their situations and just listen and try to offer love?  Sometimes that helps.

But sometimes it doesn't.  In those cases we do need to protect ourselves.  Things like rituals and incantations and crystals and the like have never done a damn thing for me; my feeling is that they simply alleviate some of the fear.  And I've learned that fear, and weakness, is what those who try to scare us look for more than anything (again, just as with the living--think of a bully in a playground).  Learning to feel strong and fearless (or, when all else fails, to act that way at least) has helped me SO much.  The other thing that's really helped me is a sense of humor.  When things get kinda hairy, I'll find something to just crack myself up.  I can get downright goofy.  Or I'll play loud, silly rock 'n' roll songs and make up my own lyrics, etc.  Seriously--it helps me.

I used to drive the spirits who help me crazy because I'd try to argue or reason with some of the  most vicious spirits who were trying to scare me.  I used to try to make them like me.  But for some, it's just not going to happen (or maybe I'm just not that likeable!)--just as some of the living are not ever going to like me, no matter what I do.  At some point you just need to see that and shrug and move on.

When I'm sick, or under stress for some reason, I try to just lay low and leave it to the spirits who help me to run interference.

Wait--didn't I just say I didn't have much to say on the subject?!!  

Doe

Doe: As you have been so careful to point out - you don't know much, but then try to answer.  There is something not quite effective in that approach.

"When I'm sick, or under stress for some reason, I try to just lay low and leave it to the spirits who help me to run interference. "

That is sure convenient.  You use them at your own personal convenience.  I wonder they are still available!  Spirit guidance is a partnership to be worked at like any valid relationship.

Metaphysical exercises with crystals and other tools are effective and have worked for many people.  To dismiss them with the wave of a hand does little to help the newcomer know they have protection from unseen sources.

The fact is a good medium NEVER attunes to any and all spirit entities.  They attune to their own spirit guide.  That is their job - protection and guidance.  They keep the medium safe in their exercises when they do not approach spirit as some random thing to be played with as in speaking to those not elevated enough to listen.  That is a dangerous game for anyone.

Crow:  From experience I know there are different realms of the afterlife.  So the secret to our own protection is understanding mediumship and learning how to rise out of those areas where they abound.  Mediumship in my experience and teaching is about spirituality.  Opening your own spirituality to the potential and possibilities of God's great kingdoms keeps us working in the light.  Those who play games or do random messages from all and sundry are not keeping themselves in the light, even when they think they are helping others.

Attune ONLY to your own spirit guide.  Let them do their job of protection.  You can also do the metaphysical exercises that aid the process.  And yes, they work to keep you safe and protected while you open and explore spirit input.

Spiritalk, your responses to me here and in the other thread astonish me, even at this point.  Clearly, you feel that your "authority" is challenged; it's a natural human instinct to attack when that happens, but not a very spiritual one--strange, considering the high levels of spirituality that you claim to choose over "all and sundry" (as you define it).

I do know very little; I dare say so do you.  The difference is that I lose nothing by admitting that I still have a lot to learn, and will always have a lot to learn.  And I hope that I always remember that.  When I offer "advice", it's with that caveat, and for a good reason--I don't want to mislead anyone by pretending that I have all the answers.  I relate what's happened to me, and the conclusions I've drawn, on a purely personal basis.  Whether someone chooses to do things "my way" or not is of no concern to me, as I know that my way may not work for others, and I have nothing to gain from convincing others that I have all the answers.

You know nothing of the things that I have seen, or learned, or thought about.  You don't know how much I've struggled to move forward spiritually, and what I go through every day to try to discern right from wrong and apply it to all I do.  You don't know 1% of what the spirits I speak to have said to me or taught me; what I've written here barely begins to cover it.  Nor do I know much of what your personal experiences have been, beyond the "tried and true" advice you offer without explanation of how you came by that, and how you know that these "superior" spirits you work with are actually not fooling YOU.

You suggested on the other thread that I start up my own "school" or whatever you choose to call it.  I have no desire to set up a "concession" here.  If I see a post in which someone asks a question that I feel that I can try to help with in some way, I will respond.  They are welcome to take my "advice", or not.  My feelings won't be hurt if they don't, and I won't doubt the validity of my OWN experiences as a result.  My "guides" never TELL me to do things their way--they make gentle suggestions and leave it to me whether or not I should listen.  I try to emulate that here.  To be attacked for that, again, doesn't strike me as entirely "spiritual".

Doe

It is really important that we can come together and learn.  This is a rare thing that happens to me, and from what I hear can happen to others.  I was not playing with things I shouldn't be, or tunning into things I shouldn't.  I understand sometimes spirits will do things to grab my attention, this is normal for me does not freak me out.  I'll tune it out after acknowledgement when it persists.  This situation was different.  It became physical.

I understand there may be angry or upset spirits.  But it is like I am invisible to them.  They just move on by.  

These spirits I talked about are different. I could relate when Doe said that the crystals or things didn't work well.  I used my chanting and wrapping myself in white light from head to toe with reflective outer that I always do when I need to zip up into my cocoon.  This failed miserable.  The lavender, dragon snaps, other things for purification or reversals didn't work.  Then Virgo came back with the Holy Water and blessed my windows, the corners of my doors, etc.  A Christian medium she is.  Whatever she did banished this enity, it hasn't been around since.  I wish I knew exactly what she was thinking when she was sprinkling the water on the four corners of everything.  I guess I could always ask her, but she doesn't really like to talk about it.  So I let it go.  

I don't think Doe was simply telling others to dismiss these methods of using crystals and things. She was saying in her experience it didn't work, which helped me feel a little better. Since in my experience that night the things I normally did didn't work eighter.  That is why I was asking for imput from all people.  Perhaps with certain spirits it take certain banishing methods.  I was like a child in that situation.

I can see both points being made here.

Here is my thoughts though.  Although I wish to release and help in guiding them home, at this time I cannot.  Perhaps in the years to come I will grow strong enough that I could help them go home, at this stage I am too weak.  Look at what happened when I wasn't even trying to talk to a spirit?  I was like a little child lost within.  This was a big eye opener.

If  I am sick I am at an all time alertness.  I too will avoid those things if I can.  The energy is just too much on my body.  The walls come up like a fortress.  

Maybe it's about knowing our limits, and progressing when we are ready?

Spritalk I am confused, how do you know from personal experience reguarding the different levels of the after life since you are not one to believe in reincarnation.  Is it a death and comming back experience in this life you are talking about?  

I tried to only tune into my Guardian at that time while it was happening.  There was something not right when it happened.  I couldn't stop it that way.  My guides couldn't cross over at the time.  I was on my own.  Like a little one taking her first steps.  They couldn't cross to aide me.  At first I was hurt, felt abandoned, then I thought perhaps they were letting me spread my wings a bit.  To this day I am not sure what transpired.  Could've been that I was thinking of doing some rituals again??  My head getting to big for my shoulders?  Sometimes they do this to show me a lesson.  Dunno. That is why I was asking input from anyone.

Safe Journey