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Pravin Kumar
Age: 64 Zodiac: 
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:41 pm |
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Q Then what about the first Commandment, Sir?" Thou shalt have no gods before me"
A Yes, there is only one God. We believe in that God and we worship that God.
Q But you seem to imply that one must have a Master.
A Yes, one must have a Master. Masters are sent by the same one God. The only difference is that they of old (time) followed the instructions of the Living Master of their time, and we are under the guidance of a Master of our own time. Perhaps you are a little confused: "Can there be any Master besides Christ", is perhaps what you exactly mean by your question --- am I right?
Q Well, yes. I, sort of believe in one God...
A We all believe in one God.
Q Then we should not even worship Christ?
A We all believe in one God. The Master believes in that same God. We only need help, a living guide, a teacher, a Master, give it any name, just to return to the one God. Otherwise there is no sense in going to a Master, if we are not being led back to the Lord.
Q It is just a quick way to make contact?
A There is no question of a quick way. That seems to be the only way. If we believe that Christ was or is the only Master, we must also have some consideration for the people who came before Christ. Who was their Master? How could they go back to the Lord? The Lord could not be partial to those who lived during the life of Christ, and now show anybody else the way to come to Him.
Q I was not implying that. I think all the teachers had a place and had something to do?
A Yes, the teachings of all the saints are the same. There cannot be two different teachings. The Lord is one and He is within everyone of us. We are all seeking Him within our own body. When our human structure is the same how can there be a different path for a Christian, for a Muslim or a Hindu in this same body? The path leading to the Lord is the same in every human being. Our interpretation may be wrong; our understanding may be wrong, but there cannot be two paths for those who seek Him within. For those who search for Him outside, there may be hundreds and thousands of paths. So, there is absolutely no difference between the teachings of Christ and other saints. What do you mean by 'Christianity'? Perhaps the actual teachings of Christ may be a little different from the modern conception of Christianity.
Q In speaking of the Christian religion that Christ founded, is Sant Mat in conflict with Christianity?
A The teachings of Christ are not different from Sant Mat. At least in whatever little of the Bible I have read or have been able to understand, I find exactly the same teachings as the teachings I understand from other saints. He refers to the same Light; he refers to the same Soul; he also refers to the body as the temple of the Living God, to the many mansions which we have to cross before we can reach our Home, to that single eye with which we have to see the Light, to the 'door' at which we have to knock at and which has to be opened in order to get in. His teachings are exactly the same. If we do not understand his teachings or do not follow his teachings, it is we who are to be blamed, not he.
Q In the discourse, the ascended Master or Masters who have left the physical body were discussed. Christ would perhaps be classified as an ascended Master. Would you care to discuss ascended Masters?
A What do yo mean by ascended Masters?
Q I am giving Christ as an example of one who has passed beyong this vale of tears and is assumed to be in another sphere?
A As I understand his teachings, I find they are exactly the same those of other Masters. I find no difference in their teachings, so, to me, he has the same status as the other Masters have.
Q In other words, he would be adequate to serve for those who choose him rather than choosing a Living Master?
A No. He could help only those souls who came in contact with him while he was living. When Jesus said, "I am the Light of the world," he meant as long as he was in this world he was the Light of the world, for his disciples, those whom he initiated in his lifetime.
Q He is reported to be sending messages back, by way of his embassies, which are being dispersed.
A It is difficult to say whether the message comes from the mind of the recipient, or from the devil or the negative power, or from Christ. You can know only when you confirm it with him as to whether it is his message or whether only his name is being used. If such had been the teachings, the Will of God, then one Master in the whole world, in the very beginning, should have been sufficient for all times. I generally question those who think that Christ can serve as their Master now, and that messages can be received from him now, as to what about those souls who were on this earth before the time of Christ. Christ could guide the seekers who were in this world and could contact him during his lifetime; but you know that the world was created thousands of years ago. Christ came only two thousand years ago. What about the souls of those who came before Christ? Did they not need a Master? Did they never have a Christ? Were they condemned forever, just because they did not exist in the time of Christ and could not contact him personally?
The Lord is not so unjust. He is Justice, Love and Mercy.He is fair and merciful to all. There is only one way to reach Him, and that is available to everyone, whether rich or poor, black or white, whether Christian, Mohammedan, Hindu or what not. It remains only for the Master who is living in the lifetime of an individual to point out the way and put him on the path as well as guide him all the way back to the Lord. So, we cannot say that only those from Christ's time and onwards will be saved. Christ never said, "I also erase the sins of those people who were born before me." Nowhere will you find that in the Bible, old or new. So, we have got to think about it. What about those souls who came before him?
Generally, the disciples of every Master are so much in love with him that they think that without him there could be no Master, and that he is the only Savior, who has come into the world. But by doing so, they absolutely forget the teachings of that Master. Paradoxically, out of love for him, they act contract to his teachings by insisting that he was and is the only Master; whereas the teachings of all the saints, including Christ, clearly indicate that we must have a Living Master. But after the death of a saint, the followers become the victims of dogmas, rituals and ceremonies. We should certainly honor and respect the saints of the past, but we cannot look to them for guidance and protection, as we are in the flesh and need some realized soul in the flesh to take us back to the Lord.
Jesus indicated that when he was on earth people doubted him and had no faith in him, but when they beheld him within, they would have no questions, meaning that all their doubts would be removed. He consoled his disciples by saying. "Yet a little whie am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me. Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me; and where I am, thither ye cannot come." They were not yet ready to follow him, but he promised to send them the Holy Ghost, the Shabd, the Comforter. He thus consoled them that as far as they were concerned, he was not actually leaving them, that he would be with them in his radiant form. Now they had doubts because he was still in the flesh; but when, after a little while they would behold him within in his radiant form, all doubts would vanish. And that concerned only those whom he initiated in his lifetime.
We should read the Sermon on the Mount very carefully, for there also Christ is consoling his disciples, telling them not to despair, indicating that he was not actually leaving them and that it was only the flesh that was leaving, but that he would always be with them. He told those whom he initiated that he would appear to them in his radiant form.
Q That has no general application?
A No. That applies only to the souls initiated by Christ in his lifetime, and the same applies to any soul initiated by a saint in his lifetime.
Q There is another thing in the teachings of Christ, that of a missionary angle. Some people take that as literal?
A That instructions he might have given to one whom he wanted to carry on his work.
Q But it is misinterpreted?
A That is always the case with the instructions of every saint. It does not apply only to Christ. Saints are generally not recognized in their own time. It happens with every saint, and whatever little I have analyzed the Bible and I am nobody to comment --- I feel that in his lifetime his teachings were not noted or written at all. They were passed from mouth to ear. People just heard him. For example, you have just heard the discourse and you hardly remember fifty percent only fifteen minutes after you have heard what has been said. If you go to another room and try to write down what you have heard, how much would you have left? It would be perhaps thirty per cent of what you have heard and seventy percent of what you think you have heard. And if you did not have the opportunity to hear it personally, but heard it later through someone else, and then you tried to explain to some other person what you have heard, and he begins to put it on paper, hardly anything will be left of the original. Then if that teaching, which the third person has written, is translated into different languages, how much will be left? Besides this, some people who have ulterior motives suppress certain things which interfere with their own way of thinking. How much of the original will be left ultimately?
That is the fate of the Bible, as far as I can understand. Nobody noted down Christ's teachings at the time he spoke. They have just passed on what they understood, one to another, and then they wrote the book. Later it was translated into different languages. That is why it is not a continuous record of the whole of Sant Mat nor Christ's whole teachings. Here and there in the Bible you do not find his teachings, but you have to link them to understand his real teachings. Many mystic things are missing. There are many mysteries, illustrated in parables, and you need a teacher to understand the parables. Jesus himself said that he spoke in parables. Those people were hunted and persecuted, so he had to explain to them in mystical terms. Now we need some mystic to explain to us what he meant. If the people of his own times, who heard him personally, did not understand him (or else they would not have crucified him), how are we to understand him now after so many centuries, particularly when his real teachings are also not being given to us in their purest or complete form?
It is difficult to know the real teachings of Christ from the Bible; but still, here and there, we find that the mystical meanings are very clear. He explains to us that we have got to search for the Lord and he emphasizes that the Lord is within us, and the search is to be made within the body. He tells us that our body is the temple of the Living God and that there are many mansions in the Father's house. It is not only that you will find the Lord in the body, but you will have to pass through many stages and many mansions before you can reach Him Christ says that he will have to knock at a certain door before it opens, and when that 'door' opens, we see Light. We have to hear the Sound, the Word, the Holy Ghost. We have to drink that Living Water, which will give us everlasting life. These are all mystical terms which we must understand before we understand his real teachings. So, we cannot just read the Bible to understand the real teachings. One phrase is sufficient to set us thinking what h wants us to understand. It is not from just easy reading like a novel, that we will know what he wants to tell us. That is why sometimes we are confused. Sometimes we do not understand what we are reading, but if we know the key, then whatever we read, the whole thing will be crystal clear to us.
And this is not the case only with the Bible. I know about the teachings of other saints, who have written with their own hands. Not a word has been changed, yet their teachings are being misinterpreted --- not rightly understood. Though the correct words are still there and in the original language, the basic concept has been changed by certain persons' own interpretations, for their selfish ends. Not to say of Christ, all saints have the same thing to tell us, but we want to lean back on the writings of past saints and want to corroborate. So, they say, "All right, if you do not believe me, see your Scriptures. See if that is there." The saints try to explain the teachings from every angle but we have to go very deep to understand the teachings.
Q In other words, we get off the track through our misinterpretation, so we always need a Living Master here to keep us on the track?
A That is what I am trying to explain.
Q I have often wondered about the meaning of "The meek shall inherit the earth."
A That means that meekness and humility are essential qualities to go back to the Lord. Meekness truly means elimination of our ego, of our self-importance. This ego holds us down and does not let us merge into the Lord. When humility comes in its place we merge into the Lord and inherit the kingdom of heaven.
This ego is mostly the result of our attachment to things and objects of this world. Christ said that it is more likely for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. By 'a rich man' he did not mean a man of wealth, but one who is attached to the riches (things and objects) of this world. It means that those who are attached to wordly possessions and relationships cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. It is, in fact, these attachments that keep us away from the Lord and bring us back into this world again and again. In translations and interpretations by different men in authority much of the true teachings is always lost.
Q Master, am I to understand that following the teachings of Jesus is not sufficient?
A The teachings of Jesus are absolutely sufficient for us, to take us back, provided we understand the real teachings and put them into practice. In order to understand them, we need a Living Master. And when we understand them, we realize that a Living Master is really needed.
Q Can you give us a little explanation as to what Christ meant when he said, "Let the dead bury the dead?"
A What is the Christ's explanation for it?
Q Well, the way I have understood it through the years is that unless we are enlightened we are just as dead as those that we bury.
A That is right. We are all dead, spiritually speaking. When the soul is released from the mind and senses, then we are alive and our consciousness is awakened. So, we have to rise above the mind and senses, and that is resurrection which obviously has nothing to do with the physical body. Now we are dead as far as the Lord is concerned, but alive as far as the world is concerned. We have to die now as far as the world is concerned and to live as far as the Lord is concerned. That we can do here and now while in the physical body. St. Paul also said, "I die daily", and that refers to the spiritual practice, in which we die daily as far s the world is concerned and become spiritually alive.
Q Master, what is your theory regarding healing of the sick?
A If you are a doctor, do it.Help people.
Q I mean Jesus has so frequently, according to the Scriptures, healed the sick with the crack of the whip.
A Brother, he has healed the sick souls. He did not make a practice of healing the physically diseased people. These are wrong interpretations. He has given eyes to the blind. That refers to the spiritual, inner sight, for we are all blind as long as we do not see the Lord, as you have just heard in the discourse.
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