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Posts: 803 · Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:04 pm

namaskaar Swapnil ji,
Please read Rafal ji's article again. Does he say 12th from the navaamsha lagna show moksha? or does he speaks of some other point of reference?
reading and proper reading are something totally different.
For a start re- read all the lessons and all the subsequent post in them.
we think you may have missed some posts.
RishiRahul and vivek.

gaonkarswapnil wrote:

Dear Rishi ji and Vivek ji

vivek and RishiRahul=Can we judge whether a native will attain moksha without looking at the birth chart.
A mokshakaraka should get peace finally. Do you think that Mars/Ketu in a sign as Scorpio would assist it.

I happen to read a article of rafal gendraz ji on ista devta there it was mentioned that 12th lord of D9 chart should be looked in be prayed for person to attain moksha

so i mentioned the example of dhanu lagna ( vargottam ) and if mars / ketu is vargottam too then it may be the case

And i have also found the mention that vargottama planet connects D1 with D9 , so i thought it would apply that way

Again correct me if am wrong

Regards

Swapnil

Posts: 109 · Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:56 pm

vivekvshetty wrote:

Namaskaar SG ji,
Where did you read that this constitutes a curse?
Why should it show some curse?
Vargottama is a blessing ( we repeat ourselves again) due to a deity and is said to give the guna of the graha. This guna is a contributing factor to the natives name and fame. Nothing more, nothing less.
This vargottama graha may be involved in many other yogas in a chart but the result of vargottama is not altered, nor does the vargottama alter the result of the other yogas it is involved in.

RishiRahul and vivek.

Certain wrote:

Dear Rishiji and Vivek ji,

I asked this question because in this situation where jupiter is 8th lord , retrograde and situated in 7th house ...which says a curse from previous life ...a karmic debt....so does this vargottam position mitigates this curse or strengthens it.I read somewhere 8th lord retrograde gives curse beyond the capabilities of remedies to work on or for.

I dont know why do I felt that it shud be strengthening curse but when I read the blessings on vargottama as mentioned by vivekji...then it felt blessings always nullify the curses so may be initially a damage from curse and then eventually tapering off the evil influence.

Regards

There was a link here in mysticboard too itself that says 8th house lord natural malefic ,if retrograde and afflicting some house gives a previous birth curse unmitagatable by remedies, while 5th house connection is mitigatable by remedies.It says kendra association might give auspicuous results eventually.That worried me actually a lot.My both sisters have 8th lords retrograde one has jupiter retrograde sitting on seventh house(that is vargottama) and she is divorced already.Other has same 8th house retrograde jupiter afflicting seventh lord in conjuction with rahu.She is twnety nine plus and still unmarried so...i thought may be this is participating as well.
There are certainly other indications too in horoscopes, i dont deny that. but ...
I will find the link .
Vivek ji, I wud be more than happy if doesnt give any curse or karmic debt.In this situation it suits to my peace of mind a lot to think that it doesnt.

Posts: 109 · Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:01 pm

Sir, i am unable to find one link.... but cud find other one........

http://grahas.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/shrapa-the-intricacies-of-suffering/

I think I am becoming a progenitor of all controversial inputs , I actually should stop.

and let go chapter unobstructed .It wud hinder other students as well unnecessarily.

Posts: 803 · Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:49 pm

namaskaar SG ji,
My understanding is that the 8th Bhaava shows debts in a chart. It is Nija Dosha, our own faults.
A curse is something very different.
8th lord sitting in the seventh is not conducive to the longevity of marriage.

we never mind any question which goes well with the general flow of the lesson.
RishiRahul and vivek

Certain wrote:

Sir, i am unable to find one link.... but cud find other one........

http://grahas.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/shrapa-the-intricacies-of-suffering/

I think I am becoming a progenitor of all controversial inputs , I actually should stop.

and let go chapter unobstructed .It wud hinder other students as well unnecessarily.

Posts: 47 · Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:38 pm

Vivek ji / Rahul ji,

The Varga charts are wonderful but accuracy of birthtime is very very important the higher charts we go.

This brings importance of birthtime correction. May I humbly request you to start a thread and shed some light on birthtime correction? JHora is very help changing the lagna (in divisions) but I ended up going in circles and got confused.

And when are you going to start lessons on Dasas and Transits? I am eagerly looking forward for lessons on dasas and transits.

Om Tat Sat,
Deepak